[MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] Obama/Clinton/McCain/etc.

[Mike Miller]

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008, Vern Green wrote:

> What your quote fails to point out and makes this a little misleading is 
> that this was 8 years ago in 1999.

That's true -- I probably should have said that.  I definitely did not 
mean to mislead anyone.  I thought it was in 2000, no?


> This story was unidentified people making claims about intervening 
> BEFORE something happened. These unidentified people claim that McCain 
> admitted it was inappropriate, but no one has come out.

It is a problem that the people are unidentified, but I guess that happens 
a lot.  The reporters claim that their sources were "people involved in 
the campaign," which doesn't narrow it down much, but they claim that 
those people knew about interventions by McCain's top advisers, so I guess 
that implies that the sources were pretty high up in the campaign 
hierarchy.


> This is a pretty weak story from the New York Times, and it is 
> interesting that the Times have not picked up one the claims of Larry 
> Sinclair as they pertain to Obama. I think both of these stories are 
> without merit, but if you are going to print one piece of gossip in the 
> vein of the National Enquirer, then perhaps the Times should print both.

The NY Times was looking into this story for at least a couple of months, 
so I'm sure they were making sure that it was credible.  Apparently, the 
Larry Sinclair story, which I hadn't heard of until now, came from this 
YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

Can't anyone do that?  Where does this guy's credibility come from?  It 
would be a lot different if that guy had been, say, a leader of one of 
Obama's election campaigns.


> Obama's wife has a whole problem of her own as well. For the first time 
> she is proud to be an American? Ummm apparently getting admitted to 
> Princeton or Harvard did not make her proud to be an American? Having 
> the Berlin wall come down? I can think of many other things as well.

Did that "proud for the first time" remark make any normal news or was it 
only on Fox News and Michelle Malkin's blog?  You have to understand that 
it is harder for black people to feel proud of a country that held them 
down, by law, for generations after they were freed from slavery.


> Since Hillary has more or less muzzled Bill. she has run a pretty good 
> campaign. Too bad for her, the Cult of Obama is on a roll.
> <http://www.jimsumptershow.com/c>

I think Obama isn't as good as he's being made out to be right now, and 
Clinton is better than many are saying.  I don't agree with Jim Sumpter's 
(never heard of him) characterization of Clinton though.  I believe she 
would use negative ads to help herself to defeat McCain but I don't think 
that McCain's military service record will be the place to go with that -- 
why not focus on the S&L scandal, cozy relations with lobbyists, stuff 
like that.  What did Jim Sumpter have to say about GW Bush's attacks on 
McCain in 2000?

Mike