RE: [MLUG] Eclipse usage

[Aaron Jackson <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

I'm a big fan of Eclipse. I do a lot of Java programming and as far as 
development of source is concerned, Eclipse is the best Java IDE I've 
found. It's gui development features are a little weak. When developing in 
Swing the best IDE is JDeveloper. They've got the Visual Studio style drag 
and drop components down. One of the things I really like about Eclipse 
though is that it has so many plugins available. My Eclipse supports 
development in C/C++, Java, PHP, Perl, and Prolog.  Since I have 
access to all of these tools in one place, it is easy to work on large 
projects that involve multiple languages. With the integrated 
CVS and the SVN plugin, working with versioned code is a breeze.

In defense of Eclipse's Visual Editor, it has improved. It's much easier 
to use now and it's biggest advantage is that it has built in SWT support. 
Until Eclipse 3.2 it was difficult to install as well, but with Callisto 
in Eclipse 3.2 installation of the VE is a breeze.

Probably what I like most about Eclipse is the ease of plugin 
development. I have written many plugins for Eclipse now. I've written
plugins to integrate my test environment with my 
development environment so all I have to do to run a test on some code I 
built out to my server with ant is hit a hot key. Not to mention the 
builtin JUnit tools. I also have a project management tool that I have 
written that interfaces with my website. Now I can be working on a project 
and I can enter the time I've spent on it in a nice interface and my 
website reflects any changes I've made immediately.

I'll admit that there is a bit of a learning curve to Eclipse, but once 
you've used it for a while it really grows on you.

Eclipse has its downsides like any IDE. I'll admit that there is a bit of 
a learning curve to Eclipse, but once you've used it for a while it really 
grows on you. It's also a resource hog, but what Java IDE isn't?

Yolan

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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, Huggard, Arthur Charles (UMC-Student) wrote:

> I think Eclipse is great for Corporate/Enterprise level projects. It
> integrates with code management software (There is a standard CVS
> plugin, and very good open source SVN and Maven Plugins as well). It's
> extremely extensible, e.g. RAD (IBM's WebSphere IDE) is simply Eclipse +
> proprietary plugins, also at Cerner they developed a number of in house
> extensions to perform menial required tasks as well. Developing plugins
> (after the initial Eclipse learning curve) is really not bad at all, and
> you can even use the Eclipse framework as a base UI too. The big idea
> with Eclipse is pretty much everything is a plugin, so you gain both the
> benefits and complexities of such a system.
>
>
>
> Personally, I feel my time learning the environment was rewarding in
> helping me to be a better programmer. I'm not sure if others have
> noticed this, but it also seems to me that Eclipse is becoming a
> de-facto standard of sorts.
>
>
>
> Just my 0.02$
>
> Charlie
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>
> Ok, had to drop a line here to see if anyone else was using Eclipse.  Or
> more for me, trying to use it.  The more I play with eclipse, the more
> I'm coming to the conclusion that for MANY things it is so overly
> complex as to be useless.  For example, I'm having a hard time imagining
> I'd use any kind of visual editor in Eclipse.  That then begs the
> question what would I use Eclipse for?  Additionally, it seems REALLY
> ugly if I try and import external files, and trying to do a simple thing
> of moving a visual component from an internal method to a class level
> component (i.e. so other methods can reference that visual component)
> seems near impossible.
>
>
>
> I still gotta ask - is there ANY reason, be it corporate environment or
> home use, why I should use Eclipse over a simple Gvim, Gnome-Terminal,
> Ant, Tomcat system?  (Or, emacs and kde-term or whatever combo of
> editor/terminal you wish).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
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