Re: [MLUG] mono

[Shawn Parker <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

man, i've seen some piss poor web apps. it seems like people who try
to design web apps just don't care (or don't understand) usability,
architecture or good ui design.

oh well.

:)

On 11/8/05, Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> Oh and as you eluded, it is not the fault of the technology when
> applications and user interfaces are not done well, that reflects back on
> the developers building them.
>
>
> On 11/8/05, Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, but I have yet to see an open source application that was easy to
> use and of good design. So it seems .NET is perfectly designed for the
> piss-poor applications being developed already.
> >
> > (Please note: The above statement does not explicitly extend to open
> source web apps, mainly client applications)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/8/05, Shawn Parker <EMAIL:PROTECTED > wrote:
> > > good point. i dropped a mono developer book onto my safari bookshelf.
> > > i'm going to run through the book and all the little tutorials it
> > > provides and see if i like it.
> > >
> > > although, development speed is relative, in my opinion. the state app
> > > we're testing, written in .net, sucks. it's poorly designed, poorly
> > > developed and usability is non-existent.
> > >
> > > speed matters little when the developers can't design a good quality
> > > app. same could be said with php, i know. but, so far, most of the
> > > .net apps i've seen released by general developers are bad.
> > >
> > > it could also be argued that your can produce a web app in ruby and
> > > ruby on rails in a matter of minutes as well...doesn't mean it will be
> > > a good app.
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > On 11/8/05, Vern Green < EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> > > > All I can say about .NET developing is that Microsoft has created
> (with
> > > > version 2.0 anyway) a development platform with .NET that will blow
> anything
> > > > else away.
> > > >
> > > > What Microsoft has done is created the means for faster development of
> > > > software applications. I know for my purposes working with web
> platforms the
> > > > new system is such a time saver.
> > > >
> > > > Using .NET and the ADO.NET tools, I can create a working data form for
> the
> > > > web in arguably less than 5 minutes time. It is as simple as dragging
> a
> > > > dataform from the tool menu to the page and then telling the dataform
> where
> > > > to look for the data. The application writes everything from the SQL
> query
> > > > to the opening, closing, updating, form validation and handles the
> data
> > > > transfer between the application and the database. As far as I know,
> there
> > > > is nothing out there that is doing this.
> > > >
> > > > To prove my point, I was recently working with a programming that was
> > > > working in PHP and I bet him I could get a standard employee update
> > > > application completed in less than half the time he could using PHP
> and
> > > > MySQL. Using the .NET application with Microsoft's Studio developer, I
> was
> > > > not only able to beat him, I beat him soundly by having the database
> design
> > > > and the application programmed and running in less than 1 hour. (He
> never
> > > > finished).
> > > >
> > > > So now, if I could take that kind of development power and build cross
> > > > platform applications for Mac, Windows and Linux, my ability to
> provide
> > > > useful applications and bringing them to market, or download if you
> prefer
> > > > is increased.
> > > >
> > > > Look at it this way, it would be better for the whole of the open
> source
> > > > community to have developers that can get applications of worth out
> there
> > > > for all of us to use. If mono helps us do that, then it is going to be
> a
> > > > good thing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/8/05, ryan woodsmall < EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> > > > > Two things:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Mono will attract .Net developers to Linux/Mac OS X/wherever it
> > > > > runs.  This is a good thing, as any developer growth for free and/or
> > > > > alternative operating systems will benefit users.  And
> cross-platform
> > > > > for (virtually) free is nice to boot.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. For all the talk about Microsoft supporting developers, the open
> > > > > source and free software camps porting their software to MS are
> > > > > pretty much second-class citizens.  By supporting a
> Microsoft-centric
> > > > > technology as a first-class citizen on OUR terms, we can give them a
> > > > > middle finger and show them how it's done.  Again, this should
> > > > > benefit everyone in the long term.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not a .Net developer, nor have I even investigated what all the
> > > > > hubbub is about, but I can see the benefit in having a free, open
> > > > > competing platform for the new "core" MS technology.  I doubt you
> > > > > should even consider moving to .Net, though, if what you have works.
> > > > > That's what counts in the long run!
> > > > >
> > > > >   ryan woodsmall
> > > > >     EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Shawn Parker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > i'll agree it's a good technology. i'm just not sold on why i
> should
> > > > > > use it over something else.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i can develop cross-platform apps now. web or otherwise. if the
> only
> > > > > > reason is because it plays nice with .net. well, i don't use .net,
> > > > > > either.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > :)
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