Re: [MLUG] mono

[Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Oh and as you eluded, it is not the fault of the technology when applications and user interfaces are not done well, that reflects back on the developers building them.

On 11/8/05, Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:

Yeah, but I have yet to see an open source application that was easy to use and of good design. So it seems .NET is perfectly designed for the piss-poor applications being developed already.

 

(Please note: The above statement does not explicitly extend to open source web apps, mainly client applications)

 

On 11/8/05, Shawn Parker <EMAIL:PROTECTED > wrote:

good point. i dropped a mono developer book onto my safari bookshelf.
i'm going to run through the book and all the little tutorials it
provides and see if i like it.

although, development speed is relative, in my opinion. the state app
we're testing, written in .net, sucks. it's poorly designed, poorly
developed and usability is non-existent.

speed matters little when the developers can't design a good quality
app. same could be said with php, i know. but, so far, most of the
.net apps i've seen released by general developers are bad.

it could also be argued that your can produce a web app in ruby and
ruby on rails in a matter of minutes as well...doesn't mean it will be
a good app.

:)

On 11/8/05, Vern Green < EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> All I can say about .NET developing is that Microsoft has created (with
> version 2.0 anyway) a development platform with .NET that will blow anything
> else away.
>
> What Microsoft has done is created the means for faster development of
> software applications. I know for my purposes working with web platforms the
> new system is such a time saver.
>
> Using .NET and the ADO.NET tools, I can create a working data form for the
> web in arguably less than 5 minutes time. It is as simple as dragging a
> dataform from the tool menu to the page and then telling the dataform where
> to look for the data. The application writes everything from the SQL query
> to the opening, closing, updating, form validation and handles the data
> transfer between the application and the database. As far as I know, there
> is nothing out there that is doing this.
>
> To prove my point, I was recently working with a programming that was
> working in PHP and I bet him I could get a standard employee update
> application completed in less than half the time he could using PHP and
> MySQL. Using the .NET application with Microsoft's Studio developer, I was
> not only able to beat him, I beat him soundly by having the database design
> and the application programmed and running in less than 1 hour. (He never
> finished).
>
> So now, if I could take that kind of development power and build cross
> platform applications for Mac, Windows and Linux, my ability to provide
> useful applications and bringing them to market, or download if you prefer
> is increased.
>
> Look at it this way, it would be better for the whole of the open source
> community to have developers that can get applications of worth out there
> for all of us to use. If mono helps us do that, then it is going to be a
> good thing.
>
>
>
> On 11/8/05, ryan woodsmall < EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> > Two things:
> >
> > 1. Mono will attract .Net developers to Linux/Mac OS X/wherever it
> > runs.  This is a good thing, as any developer growth for free and/or
> > alternative operating systems will benefit users.  And cross-platform
> > for (virtually) free is nice to boot.
> >
> > 2. For all the talk about Microsoft supporting developers, the open
> > source and free software camps porting their software to MS are
> > pretty much second-class citizens.  By supporting a Microsoft-centric
> > technology as a first-class citizen on OUR terms, we can give them a
> > middle finger and show them how it's done.  Again, this should
> > benefit everyone in the long term.
> >
> > I'm not a .Net developer, nor have I even investigated what all the
> > hubbub is about, but I can see the benefit in having a free, open
> > competing platform for the new "core" MS technology.  I doubt you
> > should even consider moving to .Net, though, if what you have works.
> > That's what counts in the long run!
> >
> >   ryan woodsmall
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 8, 2005, at 2:18 PM, Shawn Parker wrote:
> >
> > > i'll agree it's a good technology. i'm just not sold on why i should
> > > use it over something else.
> > >
> > > i can develop cross-platform apps now. web or otherwise. if the only
> > > reason is because it plays nice with .net. well, i don't use .net,
> > > either.
> > >
> > > :)
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