RE: [MLUG] Mac OS X Rendezvous now available for Linux, Windows

["F Vernon Green" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Apple/MacIntosh, same thing. They have been the same thing for a long time
now. Why do you see Apple using Made4Mac, for PC and Mac, PowerMac, yadda
yadda yadda where do you think Mac came from in the first place? They are
the same system and the names are used interchangeably by the Apple, Mac,
whatever, company. It's not my fault they have an identity crisis.

The Protocol of choice could have easily been IPX/SPX had it been any good.
Appletalk was pretty easy to implement, but frankly it sucked and even Apple
decided IP was a better way to go. Other than the amount of undue network
traffic it created either one of those systems might have been a better way
to go, but alas it was not to be. Is this Microsoft's fault too? I think
Cisco, 3Com and a number of other companies had a hand in making Ip the
default protocol.

Matt has it right though, how are these new open RFC compliant protocols
going to make your Mac/Apple/Whatever computer more secure? Simply
regurgitating what Mac/Apple/Whatever has in their press release is not good
enough. A little ad campaign about the world's fastest computer immediately
comes to mind.



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[mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spurling, Shannon
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Subject: RE: [MLUG] Mac OS X Rendezvous now available for Linux, Windows

No, it's not the same. And the name of the company is Apple, not
Macintosh. 
The main difference is that Apple has centered on a set of open RFC
compliant protocols to bind together to perform the services in a
specified way. Microsoft took a poorly designed protocol and IPized it
and put it out there devil-may-care. It was not opened. Every one who
implemented it had to use the reverse engineered version that the Samba
project made available and try to work around the security holes while
Microsoft kept changing things with the express purpose of keeping Samba
from being totally compatible.
So, no, it's not the same and I predict they will not have the same
issues. Only thing keeping every one from adopting it whole heartedly is
the fact that Microsoft will never include it in the default install.
People gloss over this fact, but the single reason Microsoft has such a
large part of the browser market is that it was installed by default.
Regular people will use utter crap if it comes installed by default.
The Apple equivalent would be if they pushed for every one to use
Appletalk over IP.

Shannon Spurling
WAN Engineer -Specialist

MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd.
Columbia, MO 65201

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED] On Behalf Of F Vernon Green
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:13 AM
To: 'MLUG Members'
Subject: RE: [MLUG] Mac OS X Rendezvous now available for Linux, Windows

Macintosh reminds me of another company a few years ago, one that every
one
likes to complain about their security.

Microsoft also made their OS versions easy, they made it where you could
identify things easily on the network and get your network up and
running
quickly. The problem with that is it opened a wide range of security
problems. Macintosh is headed down the same road. You have already seen
the
first Mac virus, and if Macintosh ever gets 90% of the market share,
then
all of these things that are "long overdue" are going to come back and
bite
you in the rear.

Take a look at Windows 2003 some time, Microsoft is starting (they have
a
long way to go yet) to shut down all of these unnecessary services on a
clean install. Now all of a sudden here comes Macintosh with their "all
open" attitude. 

I don't like it, I don't like it at all, of course I am the
anti-wireless
guy too, sue me.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan King
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 8:59 PM
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Subject: [MLUG] Mac OS X Rendezvous now available for Linux, Windows

So one of the cooler things about Mac OS X is that you can just plug
into a network (often wirelessly) and if you are allowed to, discover
and use all of the potentially interesting resources lying around your
subnet (printers, iTunes servers, etc.).  This ability, called
"Rendezvous" for marketing reasons, is really just an implementation
of the zeroconf protocol.  In theory, anybody else could do this, too.

Or, you could just wait for Apple to write the code for you and
release it as Open Source:

http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/rendezvous/

Frankly, I'm a bit surprised they did this, but I guess it adds value
for some of their potential clients, so there you go.

jking
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