RE: [MLUG] SANS certification

["Matt Ross" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

What it comes down to is that I want the cert because I can more easily pay
the bills with better credentials.  I'd love to know more, but staying well
fed comes first.  If I have to charge $250/hr and be worthless, then so beit
;-)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Brent Deterding
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 11:45 PM
> To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> Subject: RE: [MLUG] SANS certification
>
>
> Heck no I don't own the company :)
>
> I'm a security engineer for TechGuard Security in Chesterfield, MO. We do
> security :)
>
> To be perfectly frank I haven't liked most of the consultants
> I've met thus
> far. I've found them to be high on themselves, high on bullshit, and light
> on actual solid knowledge. Let alone that they are way overpriced. Sorry -
> $250/hr. for 40 hours so you can run a canned scan? Seriously - I kid you
> not I saw a report that my old company paid $30,000 for that had VERBATIM
> NMAP documentation. Running NMAP and ISS Scanner DOES NOT make you a
> security engineer. That said I've met some damn fine security engineers as
> well who are consultants - like my co-workers :) Actually - I know of one
> guy at Deloitte and Touche that is good and all the people I've met at
> Arthur Andersen/Accenture IN ST. LOUIS (I'm told it's only STL) were good.
>
> The people mentoring me don't have a single cert - but I sure
> have a lot to
> learn from them. By the same token they have a lot to learn from me -
> cross-training is awesome. They have a deep technical background doing
> "stuff" for the military. Put it this way - these are geeks you most
> definetely DO NOT want to tick off.
>
> -- Brent
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ross, Matt
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:29 AM
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> Subject: RE: [MLUG] SANS certification
>
>
> > It is a good feeling to really help someone out. I like
> > incident handling,
> > stressful as it can be, for this reason. The look on an
> > admins face when I bring
> > his network back from the dead that was NIMDA is worth it.
> > Well, the look along
> > with the couple hundred an hour and future business is worth
> > it :) Hey - if I
> > don't make money for my company payroll isnt met and that is
> > very bad. Gotta
> > love vendor-independance though - I can put in anything I
> > want - whatever the
> > best solution is.
>
> I'm guessing from this that you run/are a consulting firm?
> If so, are you hiring? ;-)
> Seriously though, I have been considering becoming a consultant
> if I can get
> enough credentials to be marketable, as the market for in-house people has
> all but disappeared.
>
> > Certifications were a great way to speed things up for me,
> > although they taight
> > me more than I probably would've picked up on my own. When
> > you have material
> > that hundreds of people have contributed to and kept updated
>
> Heh, sounds like linux itself ;-)
>
> > you learn some cool
> > things.
>
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