RE: [MLUG] SANS certification

["Brent Deterding" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Heck no I don't own the company :)

I'm a security engineer for TechGuard Security in Chesterfield, MO. We do
security :)

To be perfectly frank I haven't liked most of the consultants I've met thus
far. I've found them to be high on themselves, high on bullshit, and light
on actual solid knowledge. Let alone that they are way overpriced. Sorry -
$250/hr. for 40 hours so you can run a canned scan? Seriously - I kid you
not I saw a report that my old company paid $30,000 for that had VERBATIM
NMAP documentation. Running NMAP and ISS Scanner DOES NOT make you a
security engineer. That said I've met some damn fine security engineers as
well who are consultants - like my co-workers :) Actually - I know of one
guy at Deloitte and Touche that is good and all the people I've met at
Arthur Andersen/Accenture IN ST. LOUIS (I'm told it's only STL) were good.

The people mentoring me don't have a single cert - but I sure have a lot to
learn from them. By the same token they have a lot to learn from me -
cross-training is awesome. They have a deep technical background doing
"stuff" for the military. Put it this way - these are geeks you most
definetely DO NOT want to tick off.

-- Brent



-----Original Message-----
From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
[mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ross, Matt
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 9:29 AM
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Subject: RE: [MLUG] SANS certification


> It is a good feeling to really help someone out. I like
> incident handling,
> stressful as it can be, for this reason. The look on an
> admins face when I bring
> his network back from the dead that was NIMDA is worth it.
> Well, the look along
> with the couple hundred an hour and future business is worth
> it :) Hey - if I
> don't make money for my company payroll isnt met and that is
> very bad. Gotta
> love vendor-independance though - I can put in anything I
> want - whatever the
> best solution is.

I'm guessing from this that you run/are a consulting firm?
If so, are you hiring? ;-)
Seriously though, I have been considering becoming a consultant if I can get
enough credentials to be marketable, as the market for in-house people has
all but disappeared.

> Certifications were a great way to speed things up for me,
> although they taight
> me more than I probably would've picked up on my own. When
> you have material
> that hundreds of people have contributed to and kept updated

Heh, sounds like linux itself ;-)

> you learn some cool
> things.

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