RE: [MLUG] SANS certification

["Brent Deterding" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

It is a good feeling to really help someone out. I like incident handling,
stressful as it can be, for this reason. The look on an admins face when I bring
his network back from the dead that was NIMDA is worth it. Well, the look along
with the couple hundred an hour and future business is worth it :) Hey - if I
don't make money for my company payroll isnt met and that is very bad. Gotta
love vendor-independance though - I can put in anything I want - whatever the
best solution is.

Certifications were a great way to speed things up for me, although they taight
me more than I probably would've picked up on my own. When you have material
that hundreds of people have contributed to and kept updated you learn some cool
things.

-- Brent

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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 12:40 AM
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Subject: RE: [MLUG] SANS certification


I like to sit on IRC and answer questions for people. I find that it helps
keep many different things fresh in my mind. On my own systems I typically
make things run smooth enough that I sort of let things slip to the back
of my mind but if I listen to other peoples problems it keeps me from
letting things fade. Of course you always get to learn new things that way
too. Usually because everyone else is idle when a question is asked so you
go and figure out the solution.

I'm not sure that's good for my income though. Spend all day solving
problems for free. ;) I do it on programming channels too. Bad me. I guess
if you have $2500 then it's probably cheaper than my way although I get to
see the joy someone gets when their companies not backed up critical
database is restored before their boss finds out. ;)

> However - I guarantee I learned more in a much shorter period of time
> and was able to apply it quickly and effectively. This is only the
> case because it was sure as hell a lot more than a multiple choice
> test. I had to prove I could do it - right in a lab. It really tested
> my abilities and I found it to be an excellent certification. The
> speed of learning is exactly what I wanted and exactly what I got.
> Time is very valuable to me and if I can pay $2500 and save myself
> several months it is well worth it.
>
> I played the "gain massive amounts of knowledge insanely quickly" game
> for a while. Now I'm playing the "gain massive amounts of experience
> insanely quickly" game by applying my knowledge in real-world
> situations WHILE being mentored by security engineers with 10+ years
> experience each from diverse backgrounds. Couple that with rounding
> out non-technical skills such as writing (reports, proposals, RFPs,
> books, presentations, speeches, grading practicals), speaking
> (Toastmasters, SANS mentor, security conferences and symposiums, St.
> Louis media, etc.), and leadership (work responsibilities, SANS
> advisory board, grading, code of ethics, practical revisions,
> courseware, exams, quizzes, etc). The point being that I have this
> thing about being one of the best. Not THE best, but one of the best.
> I have a LONG way to go, but I'm getting there :)

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