RE: [MLUG] Question w/ regards to Security and UM Policy, along w ith Distributed Computing

["Ross, Matt" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

If you happen to spot a price listing, I'd also like to find out what OC-192
costs, in case I become a billionair this weekend ;-)

Heh, my computer doesn't even have enough Ram to use an OC-12.  OC-3 would
tax it quite a bit to transfer files at that level.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spurling, Shannon [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 3:29 PM
> To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> Subject: RE: [MLUG] Question w/ regards to Security and UM 
> Policy, along
> w ith Distributed Computing
> 
> 
> Maybe that's what is $30K a month.... I'm not sure. Maybe the OC-3 is
> $60K a month. I wish I could find some example pricing 
> somewhere online.
> It would be nice to know. I guess I could find out how much 
> they really
> are, but then I don't think I could tell any one. :-)
> 
> Shannon Spurling
> WAN Engineer -Specialist
> 
> MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
> 3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd.
> Columbia, MO 65201
> 
> Main:(573) 884-7200   Fax:(573)884-6673
> 
> EMAIL:PROTECTED
> EMAIL:PROTECTED
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ross, Matt [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:04 PM
> To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> Subject: RE: [MLUG] Question w/ regards to Security and UM 
> Policy, along
> w ith Distributed Computing
> 
> 
> If OC-3 is only 30k a month, how much is DS-3?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Spurling, Shannon [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 2:05 PM
> > To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > Subject: RE: [MLUG] Question w/ regards to Security and UM 
> > Policy, along
> > w ith Distributed Computing
> > 
> > 
> > But, I shouldn't. :-)
> > DS-0 = 64Kb Standard phone line, also 56Kb (Magic number?) if 
> > the older
> > framing/signaling is used
> > DS-1 = 1.544Mb Also known as a T1, according to the T carrier
> > specification. Made up of 24 DS-0 frames. 
> > DS-2 = 6.132Mb Not sure of any one who uses this. Made up of 4 DS-1
> > frames.
> > DS-3 = 44.736Mb Also known as a T3. Made up of 28 DS-1 channels.
> > 
> > now
> > 
> > OC-1 = 51.840Mb First level of the optical carrier standards. 
> > Made up of
> > 1 DS-3 plus framing to ensure synchronization and timing is 
> maintained
> > over the fiber.
> > OC-3 = 155.520Mb Lowest common optical SONET carrier. Made 
> up of three
> > DS-3's
> > OC-12 = 622.080Mb Carries 4 OC-3's or 12 DS-3's
> > OC-24 = 1.244Gb 24 DS-3's
> > OC-48 = 2.488Gb 48 DS-3's
> > OC-192 = 9.953Gb 192 DS-3's
> > 
> > Europe uses the E carrier system. These number came off a Telcordia
> > chart, and may be slightly different depending on who you ask. :-)
> > Notice the common thread? Every thing is in multiples of 
> > DS-0's. That's
> > because all of these carrier technologies were designed to 
> > carry TDM'ed
> > (Time Division Multiplexed) phone signals between telephone CO's. 
> > Also, here's something to think about. When you are sending a signal
> > across a wire, you are either transmitting, or not. If you 
> > are using 50%
> > of your bandwidth, you are actually using 100% of the wire, 
> 50% of the
> > time, for the period of time the measurement was made. Messes 
> > with your
> > head, doesn't it? :-)
> > 
> > 
> > Shannon Spurling
> > WAN Engineer -Specialist
> > 
> > MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
> > 3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd.
> > Columbia, MO 65201
> > 
> > Main:(573) 884-7200   Fax:(573)884-6673
> > 
> > EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brent Deterding [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 1:48 PM
> > To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > Subject: RE: [MLUG] Question w/ regards to Security and UM 
> > Policy, along
> > w ith Distributed Computing
> > 
> > 
> > Optical Carrier - 3, as opposed to DS-3 Digitial Signal - 3
> > 
> > OC3=155 Mbit over fiber
> > DS3=45 Mbit over copper
> > 
> > Now Shannon can elaborate . . .  :)
> > 
> > -- Brent
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Stephen
> > Montgomery-Smith
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:32 PM
> > To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > Subject: Re: [MLUG] Question w/ regards to Security and UM 
> > Policy, along
> > w ith Distributed Computing
> > 
> > 
> > What is an OC-3 ?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Spurling, Shannon" wrote:
> > > 
> > > Mizzou? I don't know, I'm just guessing. :-) An OC-3 
> costs somewhere
> > in
> > > the neighborhood of $30,000 a month, I think. And that is just an
> > OC-3.
> > > Then you have equipment, space, people, charges for 
> > connectivity to an
> > > ISP.... It all adds up.
> > > I really have no idea how much any of this costs Mizzou, 
> or any one
> > > else. The $30K figure is based on numbers I hear thrown 
> > around. I just
> > > fix it, I don't bid, buy, or pay for it.
> > > 
> > > Shannon Spurling
> > > WAN Engineer -Specialist
> > > 
> > > MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
> > > 3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd.
> > > Columbia, MO 65201
> > > 
> > > Main:(573) 884-7200   Fax:(573)884-6673
> > > 
> > > EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ross, Matt [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 8:20 AM
> > > To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > Subject: RE: [MLUG] Question w/ regards to Security and UM Policy,
> > along
> > > w ith Distributed Computing
> > > 
> > > >    At an early stage in the proceedings, prosecutors claimed
> > > > that McOwen
> > > >    had cost the state of Georgia $415,000 in bandwidth
> > > > charges, based on a
> > > >    calculation that the distributed.net clients consumed
> > > > precisely 59 cents
> > > >    worth of bandwidth per second. The state has since backed
> > > > away from the
> > > >    $415,000 figure.
> > > >
> > > > Which is ridiculous -- 59 cents per second??!!  Why are 
> > they lying?
> > > > Then there is this part...
> > > 
> > > Bandwidth is expensive, but how the hell he can clog 
> > $415,000 worth of
> > > it is
> > > beyond me.
> > > 703389 seconds -> 8 days (plus about 3 hours).  At 
> current bandwidth
> > > rates,
> > > that would have to be one hell of a line he tied up.  He's 
> > fully tying
> > > up a
> > > $1,529,280 per month connection for 8 days.  What university has a
> > > budget
> > > for $18,351,360 annually just to connect to the web?
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