RE: [MLUG] Netscrape and Internet Exploder (was a long title about Ev il MS)

[Ian Monroe <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

I define everywhere as the browsers I have access to, being IE 5.5,
mozilla .94, K-Meleon with it's slightly older mozilla, Konqueror and the
ones on the MLUG server (w3m, links, and lynx). I mean, outside of CSS
(and I don't have it doing anything except make the page pretty) the HTML
I use is very basic, so even if I don't test it on all browsers it isn't a
rash assumption that it would work on pratically every browser.

Though I have had problems with some earlier versions of Mozilla goofing
up my CSS. Its better to not support CSS then support it not fully (fully
as defined by IE 5.5, as really MS are the standards people as much as W3C
is). The newest of Mozilla version doesn't goof it up.

Opera would identify itself as IE, because some [Java|EMCA]Script or CGI
assumes a IE or Netscape only world. Which is why IE still has 'Mozilla'
in its identifier. I discovered this when I change my konqueror user agent
to something like "Hi, I'm in your log file" and then some pages stop
working.

Ian


On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, Ross, Matt wrote:

> Define "everywhere"
> The current standards involve CSS replacing Font tags. (turn page)
> The current standards involve Font tags, as CSS is not fully supported yet.
> (turn page)
> The current standards involve CSS as Font tags are being depreciated.
> 
> In summary: Font tags are a pain, but if you use an older version of
> Netscrape, or a really old version of IE (not sure how it shapes up in the
> less famous browsers) - CSS doesn't work... However, if you use Font tags to
> correct this, you've totally lost the benefit of the CSS, which is supposed
> to be part of the current standard, depending on which of W3C's pages you
> look at.
> 
> Right now, I'm using CSS and letting the page degrade for people who can't
> be bothered to use Opera, or some other modern browser that their system can
> handle.  Personally, at home I'm on a POS with a 166 mhz, 32 mb ram, and a
> 33.6.  This means I use Opera, or watch my computer do the one thing it does
> fast...crash.  Opera supports ECMAscript, the standardized code that used to
> be javascript before Netscape submitted it to ECMA.  This means it won't do
> all the fancy stuff other browsers do, but it does the basic javascript
> package.  What puzzles me is that it offers to identify as if it were IE.  I
> would think such a great browser would have more self respect than that. ;-)
> 
> One neat thing about CSS is the level of control it gives.  The pages I'm
> doing now use only one graphic per page and no javascript, yet still have
> button links and mouseover effects, thanks to the CSS.
> 
> As for Amaya, it is for development, yes, but in development you still need
> to use your page.  In the time it takes me to test a site on Amaya, I have
> been able to test the same site in IE 4.0 and 5.5, NS 3.0, 4.04, 4.5, and
> 6.01, Opera, Lynx and WebTV viewer.  This comes from the difficulty of
> navingating with Amaya.  It requires a double click, which doesn't always
> catch the click area.  Frankly, I'm of the opinion that Amaya is the
> Mother-in-law of all browsers.

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