Re: [MLUG] MLUG Down Time

[Ian Monroe <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

You know what is pathetic, is that I've had a lot more trouble with xdrive
being down then MLUG, especially when one considers that is the latters 
only mission in life.

MLUG does provide a great service. I've seen simular services for sell at
about $10/month (extra for web!).

I will probably give some money the next meeting. However, I know that we
have some money and think there should be some goals of what money is
needed for. UPS has been tossed around (at least I did) as well as an
extra hard drive for more ISOs. 

Personnally, the expanding freesoftware mirror is not very useful for me,
since it is not all that much faster from @home (I look at the trace and
it goes to texas and stuff first) then other mirrors. But considering that
is probably useful for those on campus (aka the people who got us the
server in the first place) I would be willing to put up some money for it.

UPS sounds like a good idea.

Ian


On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Scott Greathouse wrote:

> In regards to the recent MLUG outage and subsequent fallout:
> >From the very beginning, the availability of MLUG's server has been an
> issue, and someone needs to clarify it once and for all. So here goes.
> The MLUG server is intended for personal use by members of MLUG. It is not
> intended for business use. Such use is a violation of MU's acceptable use
> policy. Anyone found to have posted a business-related webpage on MLUG and
> anyone found to be posting their MLUG email address publicly as a business
> email address can have their account removed at the discretion of the
> system administrator.
> In addition, MLUG is operated by volunteers. Usually, these volunteers are
> not professional system administrators, but rather amatures who are using
> MLUG as a vehicle for learning and as an experience to add to their
> resume. Considering that these volunteers are attending school and
> sometimes even have full-time jobs, any berating of them for failing to
> instantly fix problems with the server won't be tolerated. Mainly because
> they control the server and can choose whether or not you will be
> tolerated. If you would like to be one of the volunteers, you should
> bring this up at an MLUG meeting and your request will be considered,
> though not in any formal manner.
> Moreover, while the MLUG server is a very nice workstation, it is not a
> server class computer. It uses normal IDE hard drives and a single power
> supply. There is no UPS. Therefore, you shouldn't depend upon it. If you
> have important data on MLUG, you should back it up. I suggest a nightly
> cron job using scp to copy your files to another machine. If you think the
> MLUG server should have a UPS, redundant power, SCSI hard drives, RAID,
> etc., complaining about it won't help a thing. You must give money or
> hardware to MLUG (currently, that means Adam Proctor). Hardware is
> preferred to money. Other members have given money and/or hardware. If you
> can afford to do so, but have not, all the members of MLUG would
> appreciate it if you would, particularly if you are one of those people
> illegally making money off of MLUG. ;)
> Not only do MLUG's volunteers have no obligation to keep the server
> running, but MU also has no obligation to keep the server running. (In
> fact, MU has been extremely generous in allowing us bandwidth, storage
> space and loaned hardware for the MLUG server. They don't owe us any of
> those things and could, if they chose, take them all back at any time. The
> things MU provides us for free would cost hundreds if not thousands of
> dollars per month from a commercial ISP.)
> Having said all of that, I have been extremely impressed with the quality
> of the work that has been done by the various system administrators of
> MLUG, including, but not limited to, Adam, Jay, Keith, and Neil. I've also
> been impressed with the timeliness of their reactions to problems,
> particularly when we were dealing with the previous, screwed-up server.
> Let me make sure I'm being clear: If something is wrong with the MLUG
> server, it is essentially the fault of the members, and that includes
> you. So quit yer bitchin'.
> Cheers,
> Scott
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