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- Subject: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] one amazing graph that tells it all
- From: Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED>
- Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 11:57:09 -0500 (CDT)
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You have to check out this excellent graph:
http://rodrik.typepad.com/dani_rodriks_weblog/2008/03/american-politi.html
Think about it (you might have to look really carefully because it's
slightly fuzzy). Note especially that people are showing larger income
gains under Democrats than under Republicans at *all* plotted income
levels! Here's what Krugman has to say:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/bartels-alfred-wegener/
There were some nice comments:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/bartels-alfred-wegener/?8ty&emc=ty#comment-32306
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/bartels-alfred-wegener/?8ty&emc=ty#comment-32341
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/bartels-alfred-wegener/?8ty&emc=ty#comment-32624
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/bartels-alfred-wegener/?8ty&emc=ty#comment-32635
A paper by Bartels (author of the graph) with a clearer version of the
graph (on p. 31) can be found here:
http://www.princeton.edu/~bartels/income.pdf
One of the commentators had written this interesting piece with a nice
graph showing employment statistics by presidency:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_02/010773.php
My comment (submitted a few minutes ago):
Under Republican administrations of recent decades we have seen massive
increases of national debt due to low taxes and high defense spending.
The defense spending is a way of moving money into the pockets of wealthy
owners of defense-related businesses. When such spending is hard to
justify, fear must be evoked and sometimes wars have to be started. Once
we have sufficient fear and/or an ongoing war, the President can twist
Congressional arms to get control of a larger pile of cash.
It simply is not true that the wealthy do worse under Republicans than
under Democrats. The mystery will be solved if you break down the high
end of the income distribution in your graph to reveal what is happening
in the upper 1%, 0.1%, 0.01%, 0.001% and 0.0001%. The rest of the curve
for Republican presidencies is explained by the inadequacy of the "trickle
down" effect. This proves that supply-side economics really does work
great, but only for the very rich. The other 99% of us either prefer a
Keynesian approach, or we are totally ignorant of such things and will
vote for whoever shows the greatest contempt for Charles Darwin, whoever
has the nicest smile or whoever would be the most fun to drink beer with.
So, MLUG, what do you think?
Mike
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