Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] What's wrong with McCain?

["Vern Green" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

If he truly follows through with what he says he stands for now and what he wants to do, then I can support him. But as Mike is ready to tell you, we know that these people are very good at saying one thing while having their fingers crossed behind their back.

 

Still, I would vote for McCain over Hillary. However, I am going to read more about Obama's stand.

On Feb 1, 2008 7:51 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:

I kind of understand McCain's view of the border fence.  I would guess
that McCain himself is disappointed by the effectiveness of the
McCain-Feingold bill, but the heart was in the right place.  I am
indifferent on the tax cuts issue, and also, I can appreciate that even
a fiscal conservative may have felt the timing was bad (being when we
had big expenses with the war).  But I do admit to being disappointed
about not overcoming the filibuster.

However I did greatly appreciate his support of Bush at the outset of
the Iraq invasion.  And the only negative comments he had at the time of
the war was how big business was cashing in on the pork, and in that
matter I suspect he was very right.

I also appreciate his pro-life stance.

Vern Green wrote:
> The problem has been that McCain has been on the opposite end of many of
> the conservatives's points of view.
>
> I know that Mike probably agrees with McCain on some of these things,
> but the conservative base does not.
>
> Sure McCain has been a maverick, and that might be interesting and even
> admirable to a liberal, but to the people that McCain has to win over,
> one person's maverick is another person's backstabber.
>
> Take the border fence. McCain fought that tooth and nail. This angered a
> great many conservativs who want the fence built. His angry outbursts
> about the subject are still well remembered.
>
> McCain-Feingold is a joke to a great many conservatives as well who view
> the MoveOn.orgs as a threat. Liberals should be upset as well since it
> was the swift vote veterans using loop holes in McCain-Fiengold that
> helped bring about the demise of Kerry.
>
> While he claims to be a fiscal conservative, he did not back Bush's tax
> cuts. You might not like the cuts, but it is fundamental to conservatives.
>
> The of course there was the ban of fourteen who got together to stop any
> chance of repubicans in the Senate from using the Constitutional power
> to end a filibuster that was threatened by the democrats on judge
> nominations. Essentially McCain orchestrated the gang of fourteen and
> the group then banded together sending a clear message that any attempt
> of a rue change in the senate would not go through,
>
> Of course if you were just coming on the scene today and did not know of
> McCain before, then you would not know these things. He has been very
> good at covering up his changes in position on these issues.
>
> On Feb 1, 2008 5:22 PM, Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED

> <mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED>> wrote:
>
>     On Fri, 1 Feb 2008, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
>
>      > I am on many right wing mailing lists, and I am rather surprised at
>      > their antipathy to McCain.  I guess that I am not getting it.
>      For me,
>      > McCain (and Huckabee) are just outstanding candidates.  Why do
>     Rush and
>      > Sean Hannity dislike McCain so much?
>
>     They do?  Well, they'd better get it together soon because McCain is a
>     very likely Republican nominee.
>
>     McCain's age is a genuine problem.
>
>     My guess is that they don't like McCain because he is able to find
>     common
>     ground with the Democrats.  I think McCain-Feingold was a good
>     attempt to
>     take some of the influence of big money out of our electoral
>     process, but
>     many on the right see it as an attack on free speech!  McCain was long
>     seen as a maverick Republican, something of an outsider, not with the
>     mainstream.  To me that was a good thing, but probably not to
>     Hannity and
>     Limbaugh.
>
>     Mike
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