Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS][RELIGION] Billy Graham and the Presidents

["Vern Green" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

In typical liberal fashion, Mike forgets that there are responsibilities fro Government as well.

 

Its like this, the bible has numerous areas in it that tells a Government official how they should act. In fact, the rulers of lands are supposed to walk the walk just like the people they are ruling.

 

In the book of Daniel we learn about citizens standing up against a Government that is not following God's commandments. Now I would not suggest anyone in these days walk into a furnace and expect to come out, but in this story that is exactly what they did and in the end Nebuchadnezzer became a believer. We are not meant to blindly follow a tyrant Government and there are many other such examples in the Book.

 

It's just like those that latch on to Ephesians 5:21-22, you know the part: "Wives must submit to their husbands" But almost always they leave off the following verses which puts it all into context; Husbands, love your wives like Christ loved the church and gave himself for her... Ephesians 5:25

 

YOu cannot take one line from the book, latch on to that and say it is what everyone should do. In my opionion, if you read the WHOLE Book, then you would understand what I am talking about. Contrary to Stephen's suggestion that you read other books about it, you really don't need to, its all in the Bible. Sometimes though, you have to read other books in order to be able to put it into context.

 

One wise pastor, now deceased, once told me, when you read a passage from the Bible, always look for the other supporting passages and read them BEFORE you make up your mind about the meaning.

 

On 9/3/07, Stephen Montgomery-Smith <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
>
>> Mike Miller wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mike Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently, this is what the Bible says in Romans 13:1:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there
>>>>>   is no authority except that which God has established. The
>>>>> authorities
>>>>>   that exist have been established by God.
>>>>>
>>>>> Putting that together with what you are saying, this means that in
>>>>> Christian theology, God gave Hitler his authority and by following
>>>>> Hitler, the Nazi soldiers were following the will of God.  That's
>>>>> pretty sick and crazy in my book.  I know there are plenty of good
>>>>> things in Christianity, but this kind of authoritarianism isn't one
>>>>> of them.
>>> [snip]
>>>> Your interpretation of Romans 13:1 is essentially correct.
>>>> Nevertheless this does not conflict with the notion that what Hitler
>>>> and the Nazis did was very wicked and wrong.
>>>
>>> Sure, but isn't the problem with this verse that it is telling the
>>> people to follow their leader even if the leader is wicked and wrong?
>>
>> No.  Read some books before you comment on stuff you don't understand.
>> (Clue: your interpretation is clearly in violation with other parts of
>> scripture.)
>
> It is well-known that the Bible is riddled with self-contradictions.
> I'm not surprised to hear that I would have to read "some books" to get
> a clue about what it all means.
>
> I think the verse stands pretty clearly on its own.  It can be
> contradicted in other parts of the Bible, but there is no denying what
> it says.  There are lots of things in the Bible that seem really crazy
> and hard to justify.
>
> Mike

I should have resisted the urge to bite in the first place.  I've
learned my mistake now, and I'll go on to other things.

Stephen

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