RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] News Alert: Bush Commutes Libby'sPrison Sentence

["Spurling, Shannon" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

The reason he mentioned Clinton's perjury charge is because it's the
same charge leveled aginst two people. The cases are different, but it's
the same indictment about not telling the truth in a court of law. 
There are two stupid points of outrage, where people get all stupid and
start frothing at the mouth with rabid hatred when ever they start
talking about them.
One is that people have the strange idea that Libby was protecting
Cheney. Apparently they were able to corroborate the events that were
counter to Libby's statement. That means they should be able to prove or
disprove charges aginst whom ever he was protecting, because they can
prove the falacy of his statements beyond a shadow of a doubt. He's
useless as a scapegoat, and his charges, counter to what Obama says in
his offical statement, have nothing to do with the revelation of the
covert agents identity. 
Which leads to my second observation about this whole mess. His
conviction had nothing to do with the revelation of Plames identity. It
only hinged on the fact that he made statements that were factualy
dishonest, period. Nothing to do with an outed identity. Nothing. 
And another point I have seen out in Internet land hinges on the fact
that Bush said he would not interfear with the apeals process. If you
read his statement, that is still his intent. The only reason he
commuted the prison time was so that Libby could remain free while
seeking his apeal. The judge forced the issue by refusing his request to
stay out of jail while the apeal was in process. It's not an unusual
request. IIRC Martha Stewart and a lot of other high profile cases that
involved small time white collar crime have done this.
Making sure people are honest in court is a very importiant goal for
prosecuting violations like this. Problem is, were his statements due to
not understanding what was going on or not remembering things clearly or
in the right order. That is the question and it's a lot less of an issue
than what the news people want you to think.



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Subject: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] News Alert: Bush Commutes
Libby'sPrison Sentence

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007, Rick wrote:

> Libby's punishment was, in no small way, retarded.

What does that mean?


> I find it unsurprising that you condemn Libby, yet mention Clinton in 
> the same post without bothering to condemn *him* for his blatant 
> perjury.

I was only condemning Clinton for pardoning Marc Rich.  It seems
peculiar 
to me that you write so often about Clinton's perjury charge.  What does

that have to do with the Libby case?  Do you really think I should have 
said something about it?


> Additionally, IIRC, Bush only commuted the prison sentence. The rest
of 
> the sentence stands (probation, etc...)

Right.  So what do you think Libby's meetings with his probation officer

are like?  It must be a little different than most of their cases!

Mike

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