Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Corporate Politics suck!

[Stephen Montgomery-Smith <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

My guess is that it is more frequent in large companies.  There, often, 
the manager of the managers is also an *******, and the upper management 
will try to pick lower management who are in the same mold as themselves.


Vern Green wrote:
> Good points Stephen,
>  
> I would also have to assume this is most likely to happen in larger 
> companies. Where there are numerous supervisors and many more 
> employees. That seems to me to be the only environment where those 
> kinds of things could happen without someone higher up not seeing that 
> the manager is an asshole.
>
>  
> On 5/9/07, *Stephen Montgomery-Smith* <EMAIL:PROTECTED 
> <mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED>> wrote:
>
>     From your description, that boss doesn't sound like an ******, not at
>     all.  He sounds simply like a hard boss.  It looks like he has high
>     expectations, but makes his expectations very clear.  While he
>     might not
>     be pleasant to work for, he does sound like he might even be very
>     effective as a boss.  Being a boss is not a popularity contest, but
>     about getting your employees to work effectively.
>
>     What really stinks are those slimeballs who don't communicate their
>     expectations, and then when you screw up (or rather when they perceive
>     that you screw up, or even when they fabricate that you screw up),
>     instead of approaching you and helping you to correct the problem,
>     they
>     talk about you behind your back, and then fire you out of the
>     blue.  My
>     guess is that this is the situation that Jennifer is describing.
>
>     That kind of boss is not only a jerk, but actually is a great
>     detriment
>     to the business.  In particular, if you have been a hard working and
>     dedicated employee, and then get treated this way, the loss of morale
>     affects everyone, not just the person being fired.  Basically people
>     learn that the way to get ahead in that business is to be a yes-man
>     rather than to do the good job quietly and effectively.  Soon all the
>     best people will either have been fired or will have left of their
>     own
>     accord, and shortly after that the business goes down the tubes.
>
>
>
>
>     Vern Green wrote:
>     >     .
>     >
>     >     I don't know where that's coming from.  They don't have to
>     >     try.  They are
>     >     clueless people who have almost no awareness of the feelings and
>     >     perspectives of people around them.
>     >
>     >
>     > I guess I have been lucky, the closest I have ever come to
>     working for
>     > someone who is an asshole was a boss that I worked for, for
>     almost 10
>     > years. The guy was one of the best employers to work for, but
>     when you
>     > screwed up, there was a price to be paid. For me it was more about
>     > understanding how he wanted things done and then doing it that way.
>     >
>     > Does that make him an asshole? Not really, it makes him a person
>     who has
>     > put his future and name on the line to start a business, and
>     then works
>     > very hard to maintain it. He knew that his way worked and if you
>     > departed from his way, you had better come out with a superior
>     result,
>     > or you were going to end up doing it his way.
>     >
>     > A lot of other people worked for him prior to me, and all of
>     them called
>     > him an asshole, I worked for him for almost 10 years and still
>     consider
>     > him a dear friend.
>     >
>     >      > When this happens two or three times, I am going to start
>     >     appearing like
>     >      > an asshole to you as I very sternly and appropriately
>     tell you
>     >     "Look in
>     >      > the QTY field."
>     >
>     >     No, that's not what this is about.  Here are some hints:
>     >
>     >     http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2007/02/is_your_boss_an.html
>     >     < http://blog.guykawasaki.com/2007/02/is_your_boss_an.html>
>     >
>     >
>     > I looked at that link, and while I do not doubt there are those like
>     > that out there, I found that BLOG mostly comical in nature.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > -
>     > Thanks
>     > F Vernon Green
>     >
>     >
>     >
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