Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [RELIGION][POLITICS] new directions for evangelical Christianity in America (was "more on McCain's dreamworld")

[Stephen Montgomery-Smith <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
>
> > Mike - I think that you are buying into the stereotype that all 
> > Christians are right wing.  But I regard myself as a Christian who 
> > just happens to be right wing, not as someone who is right wing 
> > necessarily because he is Christian.  In other words, don't think of 
> > non-environmentalism, capitalism, or support for the Iraq War as 
> > Christian values, but as right wing values.  I also have pointed my 
> > my versions of Cizik (Wilberforce, Malik, etc), and I think that my 
> > examples are just as valid as yours.
>
> I don't think Christians are right wing - it's the Evangelical 
> Christians who are right wing.  I don't like what they've been doing 
> lately.  I hope Cizik has a lot of influence.

s/Evangelical Christians/most American Evangelical Christians/

> Mike
>
>
> > Mike Miller wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Vern Green wrote:
> > >
> > > > HAHAHAHA,
> > > >
> > > > He's a flipping loser, why are we even entertaining him as a 
> > > > candidate?
> > >
> > > I know what you mean.  It's sad what has happened to the Republican 
> > > party. They could have been the party of traditional family values, 
> > > conservative spending, self-sufficiency and the entrepreneurial 
> > > spirit.  Instead, we have today's Republican party which looks more 
> > > like the party of big money, self-promotion, and doing/saying 
> > > anything that works to win votes. It's pretty disgusting.
> > >
> > > I hope you Christians can wake up and get this thing back on track.  
> > > For a step in the right (correct!) direction look at what Rich Cizik 
> > > is doing:
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cizik
> > >
> > > What's wrong with working on issues of poverty, injustice and 
> > > maintaining a healthy planet on which to live?  Contrast Cizik with 
> > > the ignoble, deceiptful, industry shill and phony pseudo-Christian 
> > > self-promoter, E. Calvin Beisner:
> > >
> > > http://www.ecalvinbeisner.com/
> > > see "Moyers and Beisner Exchange" here:
> > > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/green/
> > >
> > > You can decide which team you want to be on, but the money is with 
> > > Beisner and along with the money will come many of the big phony 
> > > leaders of American evangelical Christianity:  Jerry Falwell, James 
> > > Dobson, etc.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 4/2/07, Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> > > > > McCain took a stroll through Baghdad to prove how safe it is.  He 
> > > > > wore
> > > > > body armor, was accompanied by 100 soldiers and had air support in 
> > > > > the
> > > > > form of three blackhawk helicopters and two apache gunships.  Here 
> > > > > it is:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/01/mccain-strolls-the-safe-streets-of-baghdadw-heavily-armed-protection/ 
> > > > >
> > > > > So I guess he was right and Baghdad is safe after all.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > >
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