Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [RELIGION][POLITICS] new directions for evangelical Christianity in America (was "more on McCain's dreamworld")

[Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:

> Mike - I think that you are buying into the stereotype that all 
> Christians are right wing.  But I regard myself as a Christian who just 
> happens to be right wing, not as someone who is right wing necessarily 
> because he is Christian.  In other words, don't think of 
> non-environmentalism, capitalism, or support for the Iraq War as 
> Christian values, but as right wing values.  I also have pointed my my 
> versions of Cizik (Wilberforce, Malik, etc), and I think that my 
> examples are just as valid as yours.

I don't think Christians are right wing - it's the Evangelical Christians 
who are right wing.  I don't like what they've been doing lately.  I hope 
Cizik has a lot of influence.

Mike


> Mike Miller wrote:
> > On Mon, 2 Apr 2007, Vern Green wrote:
> >
> > > HAHAHAHA,
> > >
> > > He's a flipping loser, why are we even entertaining him as a candidate?
> >
> > I know what you mean.  It's sad what has happened to the Republican party. 
> > They could have been the party of traditional family values, conservative 
> > spending, self-sufficiency and the entrepreneurial spirit.  Instead, we 
> > have today's Republican party which looks more like the party of big 
> > money, self-promotion, and doing/saying anything that works to win votes. 
> > It's pretty disgusting.
> >
> > I hope you Christians can wake up and get this thing back on track.  For a 
> > step in the right (correct!) direction look at what Rich Cizik is doing:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Cizik
> >
> > What's wrong with working on issues of poverty, injustice and maintaining 
> > a healthy planet on which to live?  Contrast Cizik with the ignoble, 
> > deceiptful, industry shill and phony pseudo-Christian self-promoter, E. 
> > Calvin Beisner:
> >
> > http://www.ecalvinbeisner.com/
> > see "Moyers and Beisner Exchange" here:
> > http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/green/
> >
> > You can decide which team you want to be on, but the money is with Beisner 
> > and along with the money will come many of the big phony leaders of 
> > American evangelical Christianity:  Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, etc.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > > On 4/2/07, Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> > > > McCain took a stroll through Baghdad to prove how safe it is.  He wore
> > > > body armor, was accompanied by 100 soldiers and had air support in the
> > > > form of three blackhawk helicopters and two apache gunships.  Here it 
> > > > is:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/04/01/mccain-strolls-the-safe-streets-of-baghdadw-heavily-armed-protection/ 
> > > >
> > > > So I guess he was right and Baghdad is safe after all.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> >
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