MLUG: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] is it possible to define "a lie"?
Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] is it possible to define "a lie"?
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Mike Miller wrote:
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:

Mike Miller wrote:

This is the one I had in mind:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501250001
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502010001

The first one introduces the topic and shows what Barbara Boxer really said and what he said she said. In the second one callers try to correct his mistake. He yells at the caller, takes a really superior dominant tone and, well, you can see what he says in the last paragraph. The crazy thing is that the caller was definitely right and O'Reilly was definitely wrong. I'm not saying he was lying because he might have been confused, but look at how off base he can be and still have that smug, superior tone.


I think that much of this is over-zealous hyperbole rather than out and out lying. But I do agree that with the second example, he did show himself to be a bit of a jerk. And it does tend to corroborate the Peabody/Polk award event. It looks like he doesn't take to admitting his own mistakes easily. (A common fault amongst many people, it should be said.)



I don't know if he was lying or just remembering incorrectly. I think probably the latter, but he gets so confident, even when he is clearly wrong, that he gets really indignant when anyone disagrees.


This is one of the things, if not the only thing, that is making O'Reilly a big star: His loud-mouthed angry style. It keeps people watching and talking about him. They write whole books about him. He makes $10 million per year. It isn't because he knows his stuff, it's because he's such a pompous loud mouth. It's so extreme that you have to watch, just like you have to look at a car wreck when you drive past it on the highway.

That's a little bit unfair. Certainly his loud-mouthed style helps him a great deal. While it is something that you or I might not like so much, most people seem to love it. However, I see it more as a stylistic issue more than something substantive.


I do think that he knows his stuff. Even if he doesn't know his stuff to the last detail, he certainly knows a lot more than most people. Reading the first web page you cite, the criticisms, except for the first and the second to last, really are a matter of interpretation. So for example, with the Syria Accountability Act, you cannot really judge its effectiveness by the fact that Syria opposed it (because they would oppose anything like this), nor from the fact that Rice praised it (I have noticed that she can be extraordinarily tactful, only sparingly criticizing when she absolutely has to). And mixing a sponsor with a co-sponsor really can't be regarded as an inaccuracy, more a matter of language. And the last criticism of this mediamatters page really comes across as very disingenuous, definitely exposing a liberal bias on their part.

Stephen

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