Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] is it possible to define "a lie"?

[Stephen Montgomery-Smith <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Mike Miller wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > My sense is that Al Franken put way too much attention on the 
> > > > ANS-like aspects of Bill's life, and not enough on the substantive 
> > > > issues.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's a good question -- does O'Reilly get facts wrong about things 
> > > other than himself?  I have seen him say things that were 
> > > demonstrably, incorrect then repeat them angrily when questioned.  
> > > Stuff like that.
> >
> >
> > Do you have any examples in mind?  I'm not trying to probe you - if 
> > you say you don't remember them off hand, I'll accept that.  But I 
> > want to get a sense of the nature of these incorrect statements.  I 
> > have to admit that I have never heard him say anything that was 
> > clearly wrong or misleading. I don't always agree with his 
> > conclusions, but I have always felt that his process of arriving at 
> > the conclusions was up front and honest.  But I could be wrong.
>
>
> This is the one I had in mind:
>
> http://mediamatters.org/items/200501250001
> http://mediamatters.org/items/200502010001
>
> The first one introduces the topic and shows what Barbara Boxer really 
> said and what he said she said.  In the second one callers try to 
> correct his mistake.  He yells at the caller, takes a really superior 
> dominant tone and, well, you can see what he says in the last 
> paragraph.  The crazy thing is that the caller was definitely right and 
> O'Reilly was definitely wrong.  I'm not saying he was lying because he 
> might have been confused, but look at how off base he can be and still 
> have that smug, superior tone.

I think that much of this is over-zealous hyperbole rather than out and 
out lying.  But I do agree that with the second example, he did show 
himself to be a bit of a jerk.  And it does tend to corroborate the 
Peabody/Polk award event.  It looks like he doesn't take to admitting 
his own mistakes easily.  (A common fault amongst many people, it should 
be said.)

Stephen

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