Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] is it possible to define "a lie"?

[Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Mike Miller wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote:
> >
> > > My sense is that Al Franken put way too much attention on the ANS-like 
> > > aspects of Bill's life, and not enough on the substantive issues.
> >
> > That's a good question -- does O'Reilly get facts wrong about things 
> > other than himself?  I have seen him say things that were demonstrably, 
> > incorrect then repeat them angrily when questioned.  Stuff like that.
>
> Do you have any examples in mind?  I'm not trying to probe you - if you 
> say you don't remember them off hand, I'll accept that.  But I want to 
> get a sense of the nature of these incorrect statements.  I have to 
> admit that I have never heard him say anything that was clearly wrong or 
> misleading. I don't always agree with his conclusions, but I have always 
> felt that his process of arriving at the conclusions was up front and 
> honest.  But I could be wrong.

This is the one I had in mind:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200501250001
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502010001

The first one introduces the topic and shows what Barbara Boxer really 
said and what he said she said.  In the second one callers try to correct 
his mistake.  He yells at the caller, takes a really superior dominant 
tone and, well, you can see what he says in the last paragraph.  The crazy 
thing is that the caller was definitely right and O'Reilly was definitely 
wrong.  I'm not saying he was lying because he might have been confused, 
but look at how off base he can be and still have that smug, superior 
tone.

There might be some video on YouTube, but I guess you can't see that on 
your system.


> Incidently, refering to my other email, in our departmental politics, I 
> also have said stuff that was wrong.  Never intentionally, but in the 
> heat of battle, mistakes do get made.

Sure.  Also, it's just hard to keep track of all the facts.

Mike

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