MLUG: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS](and SCIENCE) NASA Plans Lunar Outpost
Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS](and SCIENCE) NASA Plans Lunar Outpost
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006, Jonathan King wrote:

The only way I see to fix this is very radical. It might even happen if we end up in dire enough economic straits. I have posted before that the best idea I have had on the subject of getting rid of corporate influence is the exotic-sounding combination of:

a) disallowing all non-individual spending for politicial reasons (except for the designated political campaign of a candidate, which will be forced to do disclose the provider of every dollar they receive.

Will this require a constitutional amendment because it can be seen as a restriction of free speech?



b) canning the corporate income tax.

OK, but I think you mean that you want to shift the taxes from corporate income to some other source. What source would that be? How much revenue do corporate income taxes generate per annum? Maybe it is a good idea if the current revenue stream is weak and the effect on other things is enough to compensate.



c) passing the constitutional amendment that undoes the precedent of corporations having the rights of US citizens.

Does that require an amendment? Anyway, sounds like a good idea. Why will it be hard to get this done? It must be hard because we haven't done it.



Clearly, it's a long shot, but you might just get there if the
situation here gets really bad.

Who can you get on your team? Is any of this even on the radar screen in Congress?



Within six months, I expect we will be in a fairly serious recession. Factory orders are way down, the real estate market is really starting to tank, and the debt loads of individuals have gotten to the point where the slightest hint of a downturn will be self-reinforcing. I think there is a 50% chance that the combined (including off-budget) deficit for FY 2008 will approach $US 1 trillion. Really, I'm seeing data that suggests that the situation will be completely brutal.

Brutal -- just want GWB wanted. A starving beast. I guess we'll have to cut welfare programs and reduce the minimum wage in order to create jobs for the starving underclass.



2) You should not, on principle, spend money that you know is a complete waste. It puts you in a bad position both morally and rhetorically. This is particularly true when you are going to make the bogus argument that somehow it all benefits science. In the 2008 election and after, I think voters are going to be so mad that anything and anybody who they see as being responsible for the worsening financial situation is going down in flames.

I'm actually with you on this, but, somewhat unlike you, I see the *possibility* that funding space travel will actually improve things.


Mike

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