Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [Politics] Amendment 2 ads and lies

["Christian M. Cepel" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Hargus, Diana wrote:

1.  I think that the moral difference between the death 
penalty and abortion is very clear.  I think that abortion is 
definitely wrong.  I don't think that the issue of when the 
fetus is "viable" is a good means to determine when the fetus 
becomes truly alive.
    

Yes, it is morally wrong.  But where does God grant you or any man the
power to judge and condemn others?  In the end, He will judge us and our
use of His gift of free will, just as He will judge the doctors and the
women who have the abortion performed.  And is a miscarriage involuntary
manslaughter?  I have had several close friends go through this and it
is devastating to them and their relationships.
  

You know.. the stuff you say on here has been on the borderline of pissing me off for a long time and this little blurb has finally pushed me over into responding.

Your emotional manipulation by bringing in something that has _ABSOLUTELY NOTHING_ to do with this discussion and trying to use it to obfuscate the issue and somehow manipulate people's sympathies for this type of tragedy and then to try make them apply to abortion pisses me off to no end.

My wife and I went through a miscarriage 4.5 years ago and the loss of our little Robin devastated us.  The 4.5 years of trying to get pregnant again has pushed both of us at times very close to despair and suicide...

Somehow I'm sure your 'friends' would be equally as pissed at your use of their tragedy to justify your argument.

On top of that, you have ABSOLUTELY no clue WHATSOEVER of what you speak with regards to judging others.  Christ did say "judge not lest ye be judged", but a pretty hefty portion of the Old and New testaments is devoted to instructions on judging and governance between individuals and groups.  Further, God engaged in some pretty harsh and arbitrary judgments that seem in many ways almost alien to us..... One man was slain for trying to steady the Arc of the Covenant lest it fall and be damaged.  Another was slain for coitus interruptus.  A husband and wife pair were slain for cooking the books a bit.  In the OT, entire races and cities were either blasted into the stone age, or only saved from it by the reluctant minuscule efforts of one man who very nearly did not even show up for work.  For his truancy, he spent a holiday in a rather damp and unpleasant cetacean resort community.   If a certain bit of prime real-estate flowing with milk and honey was already populated, they were issued eviction notices, pink slips, and death certificates, and then the whole bailiwick was rezoned J-1 (Jewish residential and commerce).  A good deal of Paul's writings was instructing the early church exactly how to govern itself and yes, make judgments and condemnations when necessary.  If we still followed today the Jewish religious law of the Halakha, you'd think judging would almost have to be something one would need to budget an hour out of each day for... I.e.,   in some ways it was even very difficult not to break one rule while adhering to another.

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