RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] what waterboarding looks like [Politics]

["Hargus, Diana" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Mike Miller
>
>On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Hargus, Diana wrote:
>
>>>> And neither are they evil.
>>>
>>> Some of them are evil.
>>
>> Define evil please.  Or can we use the Wikipedia defition?
>
>What I mean is that some politicians care only about advancing 
>their personal power at any cost.  They have no real ethics at 
>all.  I don't know who they are, but I believe they exist.  I 
>don't know their party affiliation, but if I were such a 
>person, I would be more attracted to the Republicans -- but, 
>if I lived in a Democrat state, I'd be a Democrat. 
>That's my perspective.  My definition of evil is different 
>from some, I'm sure.

So it would be the unethical/immoral definition.  I would have to agree
with that

>>> (1) does torture work to extract information?
>>>     Some experts say 'no' -- that should give you pause, at least
>>
>> Sorry Mike, but but no points for this one, as there are "experts" 
>> that will say anything you pay them for, a la "global 
>warming does not exist"
>
>Are there any experts who say that torture works?

"If it were useless, then it wouldn't be used anymore"
I would dare say there are more who agree than disagree that torture
works, otherwise, where does this leave a prison system?  Without fear
of imprisonment and loss of liberties (or life in some cases), there
would be no incentive to be good...

>>> So drowning you to unconsciousness, then resuscitating you and 
>>> repeating it, over and over and over again -- that would not be 
>>> torture because it doesn't destroy your "body elements". If we were 
>>> to apply electric shock to your genitals, but not enough to 
>burn the 
>>> skin off, that would not be torture.
>>
>> If I don't permanently scar/injure/disfigure you, but break 
>your mind 
>> into little pieces, essentially killing what makes you "you", does 
>> that not count as torture, if not death (identity death)?
>
>Thinking along these lines - Can they use hallucinogenic drugs 
>on the prisoners?

Too late, I think cogress already broke into the stash and took them all
:)

>Mike
>

Found that games name from Infocom:  

A Mind Forever Voyaging (1985, Steve Meretzky)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Mind_Forever_Voyaging


Diana 
 
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