Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] what waterboarding looks like [Politics]

["Christian M. Cepel" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and offer my opinion that it is very 
likely that each of these members of congress are _far_ more 
knowledgeable on the subject than you or I and that they are certainly 
_not_ dupes, and _not_ ignorant of what is at stake.

And neither are they evil.

I'm not responding to Stephen's email as I wanted this to be direct to 
yours, but Stephen is absolutely correct on all points.

To clarify for you, the reason they should be re-elected is because they 
_did_ vote _for_ the bill.

These are people who really know what's at stake and who can actually 
read the statutes of the Geneva convention.  While this subject is 
uncomfortable, it is one that adults have to approach and make tough 
decisions on... which they did.

I won't even classify this as torture, but rather psychological 
manipulation and intimidation.   When I define torture, it involves 
causing vast amounts of pain by the destruction of body elements.

The rest of this is absolute crap.  The emotional 'linkage' you and the 
writer of the article try to establish between ourselves and the Khmer 
Rouge is pure politics.  I'm sure if the Khmer Rouge put people in cold 
rooms with RHCP blaring, you'd make the same emotional connection... 
only you'd look like even more of a fool.  I expect the Khmer Rouge 
engaged in true torture as well such as burning, breaking, tearing, 
abrading, stretching, etc... of body parts.....   but this low-grade 
similarity is enough for you to establish a bogus emotional linkage 
between us and them.   I'm sure if someone can find evidence that Hitler 
engaged in waterboarding as a little light diversion from vivisection 
and genocide, than that connection will be drawn too.   Why go ofter 
wimps like the Khmer Rouge.  We all know that the greatest emotional 
impact is to use Hitler.... Shoot for the sky.

Finally, your statement on your liberties being stolen is pure 
hyperbole.   While this congress may have stolen your liberties on other 
fronts, I fail to see how this bill on interrogation methods affects you 
in the slightest.

If these bastards take to the field with no uniform, no formal 
declaration of war, and none of the other stipulations required by the 
Geneva Convention, and commence to targeting primarily and killing 
children, women, civilians, etc, then their lives are ipso facto forfeit.

How dare you advocate for them you sick sick person.   You and your ilk 
make me exceedingly ill.  You try to pass off your 'outrage' as though 
it's something 'normal' people should be feeling.  I absolutely object.  
The true 'normal' outrage should be directed at those of you who 
advocate for these murdering sub-human scum.

Jonathan King wrote:
> to be torture, because that was surely their intent. If somebody who
> is representing me in government knowingly voted to allow or excuse
> the use of torture, they are either evil or gutless dupes. It is not
> clear to me why any of them should be re-elected. The only thing I can
> hope for here is that the 258 representatives who voted for this bill
> were all ignorant of what really was at stake, which makes them only
> incompetent. Unfortunately, the vast majority of these people will be
> re-elected, and I have no idea which of my liberties they intend to
> steal next. Can anybody help me out here?
>
> jking
>
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