RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] War timeline

["Hargus, Diana" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Mike,
Where to start?

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* Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 3:16 PM
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* Subject: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] War timeline
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* On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, Diana Hargus wrote:
* 
* >>> I see no mention of $10,000 payments to the families of suicide 
* >>> bombers.
* >> 
* >> From that bastion of honesty - CBS News:
* > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml
* 
* Where CBS got that story:  "U.S. Defense Secretary Donald 
* Rumsfeld said Wednesday."
* 
* 
* > And from the fine independents at the BBC:
* > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm
* 
* We've all heard that kind of story, but the question is whether it is 
* correct.  I had never questioned it, but I think I should 
* have.  I did a 
* google search for "PALF payments" without the quotes and came up with 
* this:
* 
*    http://americancrackpot.blogspot.com/2004/12/tracer-safire.html
* 
*    Saddam donated money to a Palestinian aid group (PALF) 
* which disbursed
*    payments to approximately 1500 families with relatives who 
* died in the
*    2000 intifada; 72 of which were suicide bombers. The 
* suicide bombers
*    families received more money -- but the amount dispersed 
* was determined
*    by the PALF and not Saddam. It is misleading to claim Saddam funded
*    suicide bombers or made "payments to the families of 
* suicide bombers."
*    The money was given posthumously, to families of the 
* deceased generally
*    and not specifically to bombers, and indirectly through an 
* aid agency --
*    not as a payoff before hand or for general funding.
* 
* Interesting.  Saddam's role is less clear than I thought it was.
* 

And you are doing to the facts what you accuse others of: searching for
the 
one exception to a story whereby you invalidate the entire study.  By 
utiilising your criteria, the world must be flat 
( http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm ) and

the earth is not warming (
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8398 )

The end result is that we can agree to disagree and keep an open mind at
the 
same time, there have been some discussions on here that have swayed me
to 
the other side, but only after study and analysis of the subject at hand
of 
the ideas brought in to the discussion.  It is my personal belief that
your 
keeping the closed mind attitude you have and nitpicking everything, you

hope to either bore everyone to death with minutiae, or so infuriate
them 
so that you can sit back like any good troll and say "I didn't do
anything, 
they are the ones that are getting upset."  These are the actions of a 
coward and a knave, and certainly not worthy of a gentleman of learning
as 
you purport (and I suspect may be true).  They say that words mean
things 
and that you can tell a lot about a man by his words and actions. As I
only 
know you by your words on this list and the way you use them (your 
"actions"), I have doubt to the veracity of any of your statements;  I
can 
also tell that you are a man of your convictions and will hold steadfast

and true to your beliefs.  This is no different than those that hold to 
their faith in their particular religions.

Please do not take this as an attack, but as the observation and
critique 
it is.  It does not matter the manner of your response, as I shall
continue 
to read and learn from all information sources I come across.

Diana 
 
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