MLUG: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] cost of maintaining unneeded weapons
Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] cost of maintaining unneeded weapons
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No mention is made to the fact that a good deal of redundancy exists due to delivery/deployment methods. X% of those are in bunkers. X% of those are in space, X% of those are in the hulls of nuclear submarines (and X% of those are down half the time for refit and other necessary reasons). X% of those are in aircraft delivery systems. I expect that there are some in other types of delivery systems/bomb formats so people like Kurt Russel can blow up other planets.

It's childish to assert that anything can be boiled down to a simple number like that. Just in submarines alone, if you have 24 launch tubes on a vessel, you have to have a huge redundancy to account for submarines being taken out in time of war (A topic in the movie Crimson Tide) and the US being left unable to assert. You have to account for range both for time-on-target and service range of the delivery system. You also have to account for the need of the US to have nuclear capable launch platforms in different tactical theaters.

I doubt seriously that if one were to see this 'number' broken down into 'areas' along with reasoning, things would make a lot more sense and not seem as unreasonable as they seem to suggest.

Of course, I could give a darn what they think anyways. America is a world super power. Like it or not, if falls on our shoulders to be the world police... of course I don't mean actively by this, but passively by the world knowing that we don't tolerate/encourage tyranny, and that we can assert that position if necessary, and that we have the firepower to not be removed from the equation by those who would rather see no standards of human rights, fair play, etc exist in the world.

These people stupidly believe that if we were to go Nuclear free, that America wouldn't suddenly be the target of every despotic horrific country out there.

I also am just hoping beyond hope that their number is wrong. I hope it's a lot higher and that we've not disclosed are full arsenal. I have a pretty high opinion of America as a force of good in the world, and I am TOTALLY ok with a double standard whereby countries like Iran, North Korea, PRC, France, any South/Central American, any middle-eastern country would have to have full disclosure and oversight.

I only have respect in general for three countries on this planet. England (and Ireland and the Commonwealth), Australia, and the USA. These can be trusted to do the right thing almost hands down every time. Yes, people will argue that England used to be a tyrannical imperial country, but they've since changed and atoned for their history.

I'm one of those stupid conservatives that loves this country and is proud of it despite numerous foibles that are unavoidable in any country. I fully believe that 95% of the time our moral compass if pointed dead on....


Jerry Gamblin wrote:
I would like to think that we can ignore the fact that this guy might be
considered "a liberal" (horrors!) and all agree that he is right about
this cost (assuming his numbers are right) being unnecessary and wasteful.
I see no benefit in maintaining a vast arsenal of nukes. There never was
a benefit to having that many of them, but people thought, quite wrongly,
that we should have many more than our enemies had. It seems likely to me
that the real reason for having so many bombs was that someone was selling
them, and someone in government had a reason to give money to the seller.

He states as a fact that only "6 nukes" would be needed to blow up all of Russia. I would like to see some facts to back that up. According to the CIA the land mass of russia is 16,995,800 sq km.

16,995,800/6= 2,832,633

My guess is that he was just talking out of his ass because I doubt we
have a nuke that can blow up three million square kilometers.  I don't
disagree with him that we have more than enough nukes and they should
be dismantling some of  them but starting your ad with a lie isnt a
good way to get people with half a brain on your side.


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