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On Fri, 19 May 2006, Vern Green wrote:
Unfortunately, most of my beliefs in politics are not religiously
motivated.
Unfortunately?
I am pro-choice, not exactly a religious position
Pro-*choice*? I'm very surprised to hear that because I would have sworn
that you said the opposite several times. Must be my memory.
I am against the death penalty, I am a little unsure about whether this
is a religious view or not. I know how the death penalty is balanced in
many people's religious views though.
I think the way to find out if it is a religious view is to say *why* you
are against the death penalty.
I don't like governmental social programs as I feel that it creates a
class of citizen beholden to government. I think it removes hope, it
incites depression and is generally counter productive.
I think what you don't like are government handouts. Are government
school loans a "social program?" I think the government can do things to
provide opportunity and motivation. Paying people to sit at home, watch
TV and have babies seems like a very bad kind of program.
I don't believe we should use government to promote a religion, but I
also do not believe the populace has a right FROM religion, nor do they
have a right to never be offended.
What is "a right FROM religion?"
I think this government, even with the first amendment in place, was
founded on Christian principles and the attempt to remove those
principles from government is an attempt to rewrite history and in
effect, rewrite our constitution. The ramifications of which are just
now starting to be felt.
I don't see it. The plan from the beginning was that no religion would
predominate in the federal government. Yes, the word "God" is used here
and there in founding documents, but "Jesus" isn't mentioned. So I don't
think you have much of a case.
I believe the world is probably heating up, I am not convinced the cause
is man made, nor am I convinced that these so-called models that are run
are accurate.
But you don't know much about it. All the experts now agree, including
Bush's on selected science panel, that human influence is causing warming.
I believe rabid environmentalism is a religion that should be controlled
in the same way Christianity is. Especially with all the "Spriritual
Mother Earth Tree Hugger Drum People" I deal with everyday.
They are very annoying. They had a great episode on Penn & Teller's
"Bullshit" show about it.
I believe that every person has the ability to make tons of money if
they make the right decisions. I believe that people should not be held
down in their effort to make tons of money and the more Government gets
out of the way, the better for this environment.
Well, people have to pay taxes. The other big concern is that people with
lots of money can use their influence to promote their own aims at the
expense of the rest of us. They buy advertisements and pay attorneys and
they influence legislation. We should be very concerned!
I believe teachers have a responsibility to teach the facts, and not
their personal opionions. I am a product of teachers who did that very
thing and I hate that I was essentially lied to when I was a kid (I had
one teacher actually teach the entire class that women have no sweat
glands in 10th grade biology.)
Do you think you can find even one person in this country who would
disagree with you? And "women have no sweat glands" hardly qualifies as a
"personal opinion," does it? It is a factual statement, but it is a false
statement. An opinion would be something like "women should work in the
home only" or "women should not work in the home only."
I believe man did evolve from a creature that resembled an ape, but that
creature was distinctly not the apes of today and any relation between
the two is as coincedental as man's relationship with a rabbit.
Coincidental? What does that mean? Humans share common ancestors with
all other animals.
I do not belive that the race of man started with Adam and Eve, I do
believe that Adam and Eve are the first of God's children and through
that line we get our modern society, such as it is.
Why would anyone believe that? And how do you define "God's children?"
And finally, I believe the basic tenants of almost every society in the
world is somewhat driven by religion. Even when we try and remove
religion from everything in the world, the simple belief of right and
wrong is a religiously based belief. So in that way, every person is
religious to some extent. If you believe that it is wrong to kill,
steal, and lie, then you are religious in some fashion. Even if you
cannot admit it, for those basic belief ideas are what seperates us from
animals.
That's an interesting perspective. I guess it means that practically
everyone is religious, in your view.
Interestingly, Christians do not believe that it is wrong to kill. They
certainly are strongly in favor of killing under some conditions. They
also seem, many of them, quite willing to let a lot of lying go unpunished
unless it's lying about a sexual encounter.
Mike
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