Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [MLUG][Politics]The great immigration wash-out

["Christian M. Cepel" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Gee Mike.. with all your whining about expense, I'd still hazard a guess 
that there'd be a phenomenal NET savings, especially when you consider 
the funding to keep them here is the same funding as the measures to 
evict them.

I find your argument to be a non-starter.  I'm sure it would cost a heck 
of a lot less to find and deport a family from a point furthest from 
than it would to pay for their health-care, welfare, and schooling costs 
for a year... for two years... for three years... You see, even if it's 
not immediate, those costs still win in the end because with the one 
scenario, there is an upfront expense and then no more expense, and with 
the other, there is a large constantly compounding expense.


Mike Miller wrote:
> On Mon, 1 May 2006, Vern Green wrote:
>
> > Well it looks like the big illegal alien walk-out was a wash-out. Oh 
> > there were people walking the streets, and a few businesses closed 
> > here in California. Most of the people on the streets out here were 
> > students who are always looking for a chance to skip school.
> >
> > The place I normally visit for lunch closed down today, I won't be 
> > darkening their doorway again, I don't want to support any place that 
> > supports people who break the law. I wonder if they would be so 
> > understanding if I skipped out of the restaurant without paying for 
> > my lunch sometime?
>
> If your parents moved here when you were 2 years old, and you came 
> with them, would you be "breaking the law?"
>
> Sixteen years later after living in California for all 16 years with 
> your parents paying California taxes for all those years, you now want 
> to attend the state college.  Can you get in?  You are an "illegal 
> alien," but that wasn't your choice -- you were born into it.  What to 
> do?
>
>
> > So if this is how it would be without illegal aliens around, then go 
> > ahead and send them all home
>
> No, *you* send them home.  All 11 million of them.  And you pay for it 
> too.  First you have to find them - not easy.  Then you have to catch 
> them - difficult and expensive.  Then you have to pay for their travel 
> costs unless you can force them to pay.  You have to pay for their 
> food and lodging during the move.  Do you just take all of their 
> property?  If so, you'll have a lot of court cases to deal with, if 
> not, you'll have a lot of moving costs.  Then, after you've gotten rid 
> of them, they'll come back and you'll have to do the whole thing over 
> again.  Building a fence on the border is a moronic (and expensive) 
> idea that will fail miserably - do we really think these people can't 
> toss a rope over a fence?
>
> If you don't want them here, you have to go after the people who hire 
> them.  If they can't work, they won't come here.  But that leads us to 
> the real problem:  We want them to work for us!  We like cheap labor.  
> That's why we have illegal immigrants here.
>
> More evidence:  There are millions of "illegals" with social security 
> numbers who pay federal tax to the IRS.  These same people are 
> registered with INS because they came in legally but then stayed when 
> their visas expired.  So all we have to do is check the IRS records 
> against the INS records and we'd find millions of illegals to 
> harrass.  Why don't we do it then?  Because we don't want to know.  
> ("We" in this case is people like Bush and previous Presidents, 
> senators and congressmen.)  The reason? Getting rid of illegal 
> immigrants would damage the economy.
>
> The Republicans are especially torn on this issue because they have 
> two kinds of constituents: those who hire illegal aliens and those who 
> hate illegal aliens.  How can you please everyone?  Lie a lot.
>
>
> > Now I suppose the illegal immigrants will want to take Friday off as 
> > well. Cinco De Mayo or some such.
>
> The bastards!
>
> Mike
>
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