Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [MLUG][Politics]The great immigration wash-out

[Rick <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Mike Miller wrote:
> If your parents moved here when you were 2 years old, and you came with 
> them, would you be "breaking the law?"

No, your parents are breaking the law and are as responsible as if you 
were 16 years old and stole a car.

> Sixteen years later after living in California for all 16 years with 
> your parents paying California taxes for all those years, you now want 
> to attend the state college.  Can you get in?  You are an "illegal 
> alien," but that wasn't your choice -- you were born into it.  What to do?

Again, the parents are responsible.

> No, *you* send them home.  All 11 million of them.  And you pay for it 
> too.  First you have to find them - not easy.  Then you have to catch 
> them - difficult and expensive.  Then you have to pay for their travel 
> costs unless you can force them to pay.  You have to pay for their food 
> and lodging during the move.  Do you just take all of their property?  
> If so, you'll have a lot of court cases to deal with, if not, you'll 
> have a lot of moving costs.  Then, after you've gotten rid of them, 
> they'll come back and you'll have to do the whole thing over again.  
> Building a fence on the border is a moronic (and expensive) idea that 
> will fail miserably - do we really think these people can't toss a rope 
> over a fence?

There's no reason to send them home. Simply deny them public services 
and they will, after a brief stint with black market services, leave of 
their own accord.

My major problem with my own suggestion is that it forwards what I 
believe to be the hidden agenda to all this: a national ID system.

> If you don't want them here, you have to go after the people who hire 
> them.  If they can't work, they won't come here.  But that leads us to 
> the real problem:  We want them to work for us!  We like cheap labor.  
> That's why we have illegal immigrants here.
>
> More evidence:  There are millions of "illegals" with social security 
> numbers who pay federal tax to the IRS.  These same people are 
> registered with INS because they came in legally but then stayed when 
> their visas expired.  So all we have to do is check the IRS records 
> against the INS records and we'd find millions of illegals to harrass.  
> Why don't we do it then?  Because we don't want to know.  ("We" in this 
> case is people like Bush and previous Presidents, senators and 
> congressmen.)  The reason? Getting rid of illegal immigrants would 
> damage the economy.

And of course, you have some sort of empirical evidence that eliminating 
the illegals out of the workforce will damage our economy, right? It's 
not just made up crap to back up your touchy-feely position...

> The Republicans are especially torn on this issue because they have two 
> kinds of constituents: those who hire illegal aliens and those who hate 
> illegal aliens.  How can you please everyone?  Lie a lot.

Please step away from the Democratic soapbox, it is so very tiring. 
Presidents before, both red and blue, have ignored this problem for 
decades. It's a bipartisan failing and pointing fingers just hilites the 
agenda pushers versus the people that would, heaven forbid, like to see 
a resolution to an actual problem.

> Mike

My primary issues with granting amnesty to the currently residing 
illegals are:
1. it's a slap in the face to every American citizen that has obeyed the 
law and followed the system like they were supposed to. There's millions 
of them, so, while I believe that the system definitely does need some 
review, it quite obviously works.
2. we don't even know who's here...how many people that wish America 
harm do you think have already crossed?
3. rewarding people for breaking the law is *wrong*
4. many of these people aren't Americans because they don't *want* to be 
Americans. They want to be Mexicans *living in* America. Rather than 
clean up their own homeland, it's alot easier to simply cross the border 
and get a better job here. To see them waving the Mexican flag and 
demanding American rights is asinine and infuriating.

Rick

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