Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [MLUG][Politics]The great immigration wash-out

["Vern Green" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

> If your parents moved here when you were 2 years old, and you came with
> them, would you be "breaking the law?"
It depends on how they came. It also depends on how long you have
lived here. If your parents brought you here before 1986 and you are
still not a citizen, then yes you are, we had amnesty in 1986. If you
came after that, then you are still breaking the law.

> Sixteen years later after living in California for all 16 years with your
> parents paying California taxes for all those years, you now want to
> attend the state college.  Can you get in?  You are an "illegal alien,"
> but that wasn't your choice -- you were born into it.  What to do?
You can get in yes, in fact, the state will pay for it.
> > So if this is how it would be without illegal aliens around, then go
> > ahead and send them all home
>
> No, *you* send them home.  All 11 million of them.  And you pay for it
> too.  First you have to find them - not easy.  Then you have to catch them
> - difficult and expensive.  Then you have to pay for their travel costs
> unless you can force them to pay.  You have to pay for their food and
> lodging during the move.  Do you just take all of their property?  If so,
> you'll have a lot of court cases to deal with, if not, you'll have a lot
> of moving costs.  Then, after you've gotten rid of them, they'll come back
> and you'll have to do the whole thing over again.  Building a fence on the
> border is a moronic (and expensive) idea that will fail miserably - do we
> really think these people can't toss a rope over a fence?
Let me ask you this Mike, do you actually think if we offered illegal
immigrants free citizenship they would actually do it? There are still
people living here from before the 1986 amnesty that are still not
citizens. Why? Because the minute they become citizens they lose
money. They have to start paying income taxes, they have to start
paying for their medical care. If they are here illegally, they don't
have to pay those things.

> If you don't want them here, you have to go after the people who hire
> them.  If they can't work, they won't come here.  But that leads us to the
> real problem:  We want them to work for us!  We like cheap labor.  That's
> why we have illegal immigrants here.
I agree 100%. We do have to go after every person that hires illegal
aliens. There is not one single act that can be done, and yes, it is
likely to cost some money, in fact, it might actually be cheaper to
simply buy Mexico, but since Fox does not seem to be selling, and he
does not seem to be too interested in fixing his own country, then we
have to do all of the above, build a fence, hire more guards, require
anyone who wants to be a citizen to first exit the country and come
back. As well as go after the business owners that hire illegals.

> More evidence:  There are millions of "illegals" with social security
> numbers who pay federal tax to the IRS.  These same people are registered
> with INS because they came in legally but then stayed when their visas
> expired.  So all we have to do is check the IRS records against the INS
> records and we'd find millions of illegals to harrass.  Why don't we do it
> then?  Because we don't want to know.  ("We" in this case is people like
> Bush and previous Presidents, senators and congressmen.)  The reason?
> Getting rid of illegal immigrants would damage the economy.
You cannot blame this one on Bush, everyone has had a part to play in
this one. In fact, the democrats have a larger stake in illegal
immigration than the republicans do.

But if you notice, 70% of the American people want illegal immigration
stopped, I am not a mathematician, but I think this number would
include a great number of democrats.

> The Republicans are especially torn on this issue because they have two
> kinds of constituents: those who hire illegal aliens and those who hate
> illegal aliens.  How can you please everyone?  Lie a lot.
The democrats have the same problem.
> > Now I suppose the illegal immigrants will want to take Friday off as
> > well. Cinco De Mayo or some such.

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Thanks
F Vernon Green

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