Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] web proxies for Chinese and other oppressed groups

["Christian M. Cepel" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Tienanmen Square?  What's that?

Seriously, have you ever been to Japan and asked folks there about the 
surprise bombing of Pearl Harbor?  The nuclear bombs?  WWII?

It didn't happen.  Mum's the word over there on the parts of the 
government education, what reading materials are available, and what 
word of mouth is passed from father to son.... and it's not ever 
censorship... it's culture.  WWII was a HUGE loss of face for them and 
even the average citizen just won't talk about it because they are 
ashamed for themselves and their country.

The kids growing up in that society never hear or learn about it... 
When visitors bring it up, they laugh at the visitor's imagination.

I expect something similar in China and China wants to keep it that way, 
and there's no need to rely on some fickle cultural shame which they 
don't really possess.  They've got such a throttle hold on their people 
that I be there are folks who, when you bring up Tienanmen Square reply 
with, "I'd sure like to visit and see the sites there someday.", instead 
of, "They killed Quan!  Those Bastards!".

Nathan Odle wrote:
> There are a lot of fairly successful efforts to circumvent the "Great 
> Firewall of China".  Some of them are anonymous proxies, but I saw the 
> other day a bootable CD that uses Linux, Tor (http://tor.eff.org/), 
> Firefox, and some trickery to provide fairly secure and difficult to 
> track/prevent browsing.  I think it's interesting how much you see about 
> this in the news because if someone in China really wants to go online 
> and say, find the history of the Tiananmen Square incident, I've no 
> doubt that they'd be able to do so given a little effort.
>
> -N
>
> Mike Miller wrote:
>
> > We've been hearing about the Chinese government blocking their people 
> > from accessing many web sites.  So Google caved and made a special 
> > Google.cn with restricted capabilities to satisfy the Chinese 
> > government.  This leads me to wonder if it would not be possible for 
> > Chinese people to have secure connections to specially-designed web 
> > sites that allow them to connect from there to any other web site.  To 
> > make this work, there would have to be a lot of these sites and they 
> > would have to move around the web.  Is it possible to make such a 
> > thing work?  If it worked well enough, it wouldn't have to work for 
> > long because it would probably put an end to the Chinese filtering 
> > scheme fairly quickly.  Why would they waste time fighting a losing 
> > battle?
> >
> > Mike
> >
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