Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Killfiled, was DNA Offers New Insight Concerning Cat Evolution

[Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

On Sun, 8 Jan 2006, Vern Green wrote:

> > > > I know that we are starting to do that kind of thing.  I haven't 
> > > > wanted to prepare such courses myself.  The only thing I don't know 
> > > > about is exams and how they are administered.  I'm all for distance 
> > > > learning and I would expect students to learn just as well that way 
> > > > as with ordinary classroom instruction.  We all know that most 
> > > > learning is really self-instruction. You have to read the material 
> > > > and struggle with it. Teachers help, but most of the learning happens 
> > > > with the student alone with the materials (book, papers, homework 
> > > > assignments, videos, slide shows, etc).

I don't see why you quoted the above, again, instead of quoting this:


> Programming 1 and 2, instructor on the first night wrote a simple "Hello 
> World" application in "C", then handed out our assignments and said go 
> to work. He never again demonstrated any code. Another student in the 
> class was a developer already and he fielded all student questions as 
> the instructor was unable to answer questions.

And what school was that?


> Programming 3 and 4, instruction was in Java, we had two different 
> instructors and both of them were almost identical. By now I had a 
> pretty good grasp of programming so I was able to perform the 
> assignments. It was a good thing as the instructor admitted he could not 
> get the sample code we were studying to work when he was copying it out 
> of the book.

What school was that?


> I am not going to go through all of them, the list would be too long.

Were they all in the same school?


> And let's not forget about the Indians. Oh that was a nice lesson in 
> futility. Have you ever tried to learn Unix, or Web Application 
> Development from an Indian? Not American Indian. I admit he tried to 
> teach the class, and once we could understand him, he actually was 
> pretty knowledgable about the subject, too bad I really only understood 
> about 1 out of 3 words he spoke.

So, when you have a bad experience with one teacher from India, that tells 
us something about "the Indians" -- like they must all be the same?


> > Where the heck did you go to college and who were your teachers?  I 
> > have never, never once, ever heard of anyone teaching like that.  You 
> > seem to think that all college professors don't teach at all but just 
> > sit there and then fail to answer questions.  That is amazing -- 
> > amazing that you believe that and amazing that it happened to you or to 
> > anyone else. Sometimes I think you come from a different planet than 
> > the rest of us.
>
> So look, here is the problem Mike, you respond to so many e-mails with
> this, "God, that is unbelievable, therefor you are an idiot or from a
> different planet".

I don't think you are an idiot.  I think you are either dishonest or 
exaggerating, in the extreme.  Either that or your communication skills 
are really poor and you aren't able to make your points clearly.


> Apparently you think I just make all this up, in fact you have clearly 
> said so. You don't know anything about me or my experiences, just like I 
> don't know anything about you or your experiences, just because you have 
> never heard of it, does not mean it is not happening, I thought this was 
> what we were trying to do here is share ideas and experiences.

You may have had one professor in mind, but you wrote about it as if it 
was the way things are in college.

I still want to know where you went to school.


> As far as the chimp case, I read an e-mail that was very condescending 
> and did not warrant any further discussion with you on the subject.

That is ridiculous.  You are wasting my time.

Mike

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