Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Korean stem cell rout...

[Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/08/20010809-1.html

Basically Bush says:

Federal funds will only be used for research on existing stem cell
lines that were derived:

(1) with the informed consent of the donors;
(2) from excess embryos created solely for reproductive purposes; and
(3) without any financial inducements to the donors.

No federal funds will be used for:

(1) the derivation or use of stem cell lines derived from newly
destroyed embryos;
(2) the creation of any human embryos for research purposes; or
(3) the cloning of human embryos for any purpose.

So what is the problem? Sounds reasonable to me.




On 1/1/06, Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> Bush said there were 60 lines.
>
> Bush also allotted 250 million in funding on stem cell research.
>
>
>
> On 1/1/06, Stephen Montgomery-Smith <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> > Christian M. Cepel wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> Jonathan King wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I now Mike is really annoyed by Bush's order, and I am, too.  But what
> > >>> annoys me most was the fact that Bush was told that we did not, in
> > >>> fact, have really enough existing stem cell lines to support near- to
> > >>> mid-term research as a matter of fact, but Bush claimed that we did.
> > >>> In retrospect, it was one of the first well-known cases where the
> > >>> administration twisted or invented facts so that they appeared to
> > >>> support a policy position that was developed independently of the
> > >>> facts.
> > >
> > >
> > > I've never understood this argument at all, and I've suspected duplicity
> > > on the part of those who make it.  Probably just my ignorance... Feel
> > > free to educate me.
> > >
> > > Why is more than one stem cell 'line' even necessary except perhaps as a
> > > way to increase the speed of production of stem cells for research.
> > >
> > > Is a stem cell differentiated from the stem cell of another embryo in
> > > such a way that different 'varieties' must be available for different
> > > research.  I had thought the very definition of stem cell was that there
> > > was no differentiation.... that it was a blank slate.
> > >
> > > I've really been under the impression that if you started out with one
> > > stem cell and managed to duplicate it and then duplicate those and so on
> > > and so forth that you would have all the stem cells you need, but that
> > > mortality and time were reasons people wanted to do 'multiple lines'
> > > simultaneously to produce more cells for research exponentially more
> > > quickly.
> > >
> > > Please explain to me the concept of a 'line' and why X number of 'lines'
> > > is not sufficient, but Y number of 'lines' would be.
> > >
> > > Also, please reacquaint me with the numbers.  I seem to recall there
> > > being 32 available and that it was something like 50 that were wanted
> > > when Bush said, "Read my lips, no more 'lines', go with whatcha got."...
> > > I'm probably nowhere in the ballpark here.   It's been quite a while.
> >
> > And I would like to know what a "line" is - how they get stem cells, and
> > what they actually deliver to the doctor/researcher.
> >
> >
> >
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