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On Sun, 4 Dec 2005, Vern Green wrote:
Oh come on Mike, you can't be serious.
Look, here is the deal with ABC, CBS and NBC. THey do what? one or two
30 minute news reports a day? Maybe an hour, lets assume they do an hour
show, they don't have the time to devote to a story to get both sides of
the story in, so they tend to go from a slant, the slant they want YOU
to believe. The producers of those news shows know there are the
standard lap dog groups out there that will soak it up. They are rarely
truly unbiased.
Well, if Vern Green says it, it must be true. I guess I was wrong to
think that ABC, CBS and NBC were giving relatively unbiased reports.
Vern Green knows that there are "standard lap dog groups out there," but
he won't name those groups. And those groups, Vern Green says, are
controlling the "slant" that ABC, CBS and NBC put on the news. Well,
thank goodness that Vern Green got the inside info from his secret sources
and shared his vague ideas with us.
60 Minutes, Dateline and 20/20 actually do try to approach a story from
all angles and as long as they follow the journalism practices a first
year journalism student is taught, I would say they do a pretty good
job.
OK, so why would you say that I can't be serious?
NY Times, LA Times, pretty good read, but so can be the National
Enquirer as well. Seriously these newspapers, especially the LA Times
are so slanted and they get the story actually completely WRONG!.
Which story do you have in mind, Vern. I guess the reason you seem so
foolish sometimes is that you don't read any reasonable news sources
because you think they are "biased." I think you should read more.
Now lets talk about Fox News and CNN, what the heck is the difference?
Oh I know, you just happen to like the liberal slant most of the talking
heads have on CNN.
No. It's because Fox News is run by Rupert Murdoch and he has planned
from the start to use that network to promote his political views. There
are several books and movies about it, but I wouldn't expect you to read
or watch them (I've told you about them before). If you can find any
similar critique of CNN, please tell me about it.
For a moment lets leave Bill O'Reilly out of the equation, what other
talking heads, or what other news shows on Fox news can you say are
coming from a conservative bias. You focus in on so much on O'Reilly
that again you approach this through your close-minded one sided
approach.
You can read the books or watch the film "Out Foxed," if you want to learn
something. You might note that I did not say anything about Bill O'Reilly
in my earlier message and it had nothing to do with Bill O'Reilly. You
are out of touch with reality -- it was convenient for you to focus on
O'Reilly and to *pretend* (this is where you lose touch with reality) that
I had said something about O'Reilly.
Now if we want to talk about O'Reilly, you clearly have never listened
to the man, you have formed your opinion from the point of views of
people like Al Franken. Why don't you listen and watch the man for about
a week and tell me where you see he is wrong? Oh, because you are too
busy I guess.
Again, you have poor reality testing. I have watched O'Reilly plenty of
times and I have read about O'Reilly in a number of places. It doesn't
take much effort to find ways that he "goes wrong." There are books and
web sites. Feel free to read them.
Next, I do not listen to Dr. James Dobson, (by the way, he is a real
doctor, show him the respect you would from any other person that has
achieved that title!).
When did I say something disrespectful about Dobson? A "real doctor" can
be a complete ass, or a manipulative liar, just like anybody else. He has
a PhD in child development. Wow. That's friggin' amazing. I worship him
now that I know about that degree.
So where do I get my news? Well Mike, there are many other newspapers
out there other than the LA Times and the NY Times, you might try them.
Most of them make a very concerted effort to get it right. You can
usually get up to the minute stories from many different newspapers
through Google News. When reading your news, perhaps you should start
there. Just a suggestion.
A already read things from Google News. Aside from condescending
bullshit, do you have something to offer?
I listen to NPR in the morning going to work, the news part of it is
actually pretty good, thanks to whomever turned me onto it. I then
LISTEN to O'Reilly's radio cast when I get the chance. It is pretty
good, and O' Reilly actually takes long and hard pains to get both sides
of the story in. Obviously the show is about his point of view, but he
tells BOTH opposing sides first.
Right. He's a really fair-minded guy with no agenda. That's really good
advice, Vern. You have to be friggin' kidding me! Wake up - O'Reilly is
*entertainment*, not news. The topic here is *news,* Vern.
You should try to listen in some time, even if for nothing else you can
speak about him in an informed manner. I can give you a live link on the
Internet if you can't find a radio station that carries him.
I've listened to him dozens of times Vern. You are living in a dream
world.
Do I know everything? No, but I try to get my information from a variety
of sources because I know that many of them are not going to give you
anything but their point of view.
No, you do not *know* that. You might not even know where you got that
idea.
Mike
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