Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] what next?

[Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Oh come on Mike, you can't be serious.

Look, here is the deal with ABC, CBS and NBC. THey do what? one or two
30 minute news reports a day? Maybe an hour, lets assume they do an
hour show, they don't have the time to devote to a story to get both
sides of the story in, so they tend to go from a slant, the slant they
want YOU to believe. The producers of those news shows know there are
the standard lap dog groups out there that will soak it up. They are
rarely truly unbiased.

60 Minutes, Dateline and 20/20 actually do try to approach a story
from all angles and as long as they follow the journalism practices a
first year journalism student is taught, I would say they do a pretty
good job.

NY Times, LA Times, pretty good read, but so can be the National
Enquirer as well. Seriously these newspapers, especially the LA Times
are so slanted and they get the story actually completely WRONG!.

Now lets talk about Fox News and CNN, what the heck is the difference?
Oh I know, you just happen to like the liberal slant most of the
talking heads have on CNN. For a moment lets leave Bill O'Reilly out
of the equation, what other talking heads, or what other news shows on
Fox news can you say are coming from a conservative bias. You focus in
on so much on O'Reilly that again you approach this through your
close-minded one sided approach.

Now if we want to talk about O'Reilly, you clearly have never listened
to the man, you have formed your opinion from the point of views of
people like Al Franken. Why don't you listen and watch the man for
about a week and tell me where you see he is wrong? Oh, because you
are too busy I guess.

The fact is CNN is just like Fox News, they are no different. CNN has
their conservative talking heads, which I assume you don't watch
either, and they have their liberal talking heads on Fox News. Your
criticism of Fox News is unwarranted, unjustified and clearly shows
how you block yourself from finding out alternative forms of
information in order to make an informed decision, thus you are
ill-informed.

Next, I do not listen to Dr. James Dobson, (by the way, he is a real
doctor, show him the respect you would from any other person that has
achieved that title!). I guess I would if I had time, but I normally
do not. My wife listens and likes him but that doesn't help for this
conversation.

So where do I get my news? Well Mike, there are many other newspapers
out there other than the LA Times and the NY Times, you might try
them. Most of them make a very concerted effort to get it right. You
can usually get up to the minute stories from many different
newspapers through Google News. When reading your news, perhaps you
should start there. Just a suggestion.

I listen to NPR in the morning going to work, the news part of it is
actually pretty good, thanks to whomever turned me onto it. I then
LISTEN to O'Reilly's radio cast when I get the chance. It is pretty
good, and O' Reilly actually takes long and hard pains to get both
sides of the story in. Obviously the show is about his point of view,
but he tells BOTH opposing sides first. You should try to listen in
some time, even if for nothing else you can speak about him in an
informed manner. I can give you a live link on the Internet if you
can't find a radio station that carries him.

I read through Google News at least two or three times a day to see if
anything new is out there. When I get home, I now watch, since I have
TV back now, either MSNBC or CNN if the kids are doing their homework.
If they are finished with their homework I usually end up with The
Secret Life of Ben and Cody or some other brain dead nonsense on the
Cartoon Network.

Do I know everything? No, but I try to get my information from a
variety of sources because I know that many of them are not going to
give you anything but their point of view. You should at least try and
do the same thing Mike, if you really want to be intellectually honest
about what is happening in our current time.


On 12/4/05, Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Dec 2005, Vern Green wrote:
>
> > Yeah well we have had this discussion before and I know better than to
> > go down that road. Apparently, if this is where you get your news from,
> > it explains why you are so ill-informed on so many of the things we talk
> > about here.
>
>
> I said that I think these are reasonably unbiased sources:
>
> ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, etc.
>
> And you claim that someone who gets their news from these sources would
> tend to be ill-informed.  That is a *bizarre* claim that implies to me
> that you know nothing about news and that you don't read news, watch
> television or listen to the radio (or if you do, you focus so narrowly
> that you can't make comparisons of sources and decide which are better).
> Where do you get your news, James Dobson, Washington Times and Fox News?
>
> Mike
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