Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [POLITICS] what next?

[Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

On Thu, 1 Dec 2005, Christian M. Cepel wrote:

> I have no problem with civil unions with the same 'privileges' and 
> rights.  I just don't believe 'marriage' is an entity of the state.

Same here.  Let's put an end to state "marriages" and replace them with 
some other kind of 'union' or 'partnership' contract.


> I fundamentally believe that marriage was established by God as a 
> perfect model, and sex and therefor children restricted to within that 
> framework.  I say perfect, because I believe for a child to not have 
> both a mother and a father is damaging.

Children of homosexual parents have been studied.  They grow up to be 
really quite normal, so I'm not sure there is evidence of "damage."  It 
seems unlikely to me that marriage was designed by a deity and not by 
human beings.


> > > I can think of plenty of stepped on civil liberties and constitution 
> > > violations that they wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.
> >
> > Give some examples.  Seriously, I am interested.
>
> This and the above requests for examples are valid.  I'm not much good 
> at going back through and finding these things, but I will try to find 
> the time, unless some like minded individual does it first on my/their 
> behalf.

Well, if you ever get to it, I do want to know.  I would not expect ACLU 
to refuse to help someone whose free speech right, for example, was being 
violated.  They have stood up for Nazis.  Believe me, the ACLU hates 
Nazis!


> In this case, the wife of a friend (both professional gradate students, 
> and the wife a professional photographer rather well off) finally became 
> pregnant after a long period of trying.  She went to the student health 
> center to get a pregnancy test and maybe some prenatal advice and 
> vitamins.

That's a bizarre story.  Of course we are hearing one side of the story 
interpreted a certain way.  I wouldn't recommend giving RU-486 to anyone 
who hadn't signed a form saying that was what she wanted.  The health 
center staff were amazingly incompetent.  That this had anything to do 
with the patient being Korean seems to be pure speculation.

Mike

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