Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] [RELIGION] creation myths

["Christian M. Cepel" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Mike Miller wrote:
> > This also doesn't account for those who believe the first 7 days were 
> > metaphorical and that they were macro-time, during which the fossil 
> > record and aged earth evidence you like to point to occurred.
>
> Why not just drop "God" out of the picture.  It adds nothing.  Nothing 
> but a warm feeling in a believer's heart, I suppose.  You believe it 
> because you like believing it.

I believe it because I believe it and I think I've been given reason to 
believe it.  You know there are some things I believe about God that I 
don't like, but believing in the Judeo-Christian God does not really 
allow one to pick and choose beliefs with great liberty.

> > In the early days of religion it was possible to get away with 
> suggesting that gods were doing many things: controlling the tides, the 
> seasons, pushing the Sun across the sky, creating animals and people and 
> rain and thunder, etc., etc., etc.  Now we have scientific explanations 
> for nearly everything and most of the gods have been forgotten.  But 
> most of us are down to one god or no gods and the one god has his 
> effects in all the little places were science has not completed its 
> mission, like in explaining the very origin of the universe.

You should re-read Shannon's post on having experiences that science 
cannot explain and which he could probably not relate to you in such a 
way that you could empathize with the experience and perhaps wonder if 
perhaps there wasn't something supernatural to explain it.

> It's funny that people like "first mover" arguments.  How ridiculous 
> they are....

I've never met a "first mover" (your term, not theirs) who would be 
confused by such a sophomoric argument.  It just proves that you don't 
understand their belief.

In the beginning there was God.  Period.  Nothing else.  God is beyond 
our feeble understanding and perception of the universe, time, etc.  We 
take it on Faith that God understands the assertion where we do not, and 
do not have to.  The same Faith is required to accept the seemingly 
blatant impossibility and contradiction that is the Trinity.

> "First mover" theology is such a lame excuse to hold on to a little 
> piece of God in an era where it is totally unnecessary to evoke God as 
> an explanation for anything.

This is your perception and explanation for something you obviously 
don't understand and you believe only in your own understanding, which I 
believe to be incapable of perception and understanding of what I take 
on Faith to be God.


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  //Christian

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