Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] global warming (was "false charges of sexual abuse")

[Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

I think a lot of this depends on what action you want Bush to take.
Bush has said he is interested in environmental causes, but what do he
need to do to convince you of this?

If signing the Kyoto treaty is what he has to do, well Bush has
recently come out about his stand on the Kyoto treaty and I agree with
him.

First, The Kyoto treaty in Bush's opinion creates a increased hardship
on the American economy, when you consider that China was excluded
from having to agree to the same conditions as the US but is the
second largest polluter of the nations involved in the treaty, I think
his stand is a valid one.

China has since signed on to Kyoto as a full member nation, so his
argument here is now a little thing, but that is not the only
argument.

Another argument is there is simply no enforcement of Kyoto. If a
nation pollutes more than what they are allowed, what is the
ramification of this? Nothing. It is only a suggestion. Many of the
nations do not even have a plan on how to cut back.

Mark my words though, if the US was to ratify Kyoto and we did not cut
back our pollution we would again be attacked from all over the world
as being the evil Americans.

So what else would Bush have to do to help in the area of Global
Warming for you? I have some ideas of what I would do, and I do not
expect Bush to do anything with them.

Your statement about Global Warming being a fact is still not fact.
Computer models have been saying it is, but I still maintain that we
do not have enough information to know whether it is being caused by
what people are doing, the expansion of space flight, or the decline
in the number of pirates in the world. All can be shown to have a
correlation with global warming.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4267245.stm
http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000358.html


On 8/3/05, Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Paul Slusarz wrote:
> 
> > There have been good studies demonstrating that global warming is a
> > myth.  At least our Administration thinks so.
> 
> Before I get into the sex abuse thing, I need to respond to this.  What is
> really happening is Bush is not saying that global warming is a myth.  He
> is saying that human influence on global warming needs to be studied
> further before he will feel compelled to act.  The Bush Administration
> includes Bush's Science Adviser and many government scientists.  Here is
> an article from about a year ago that marked a change in the views
> expressed by Bush's science advisors:
> 
> http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/rmnews/2004/msg00102.html
> 
> So what's stopping Bush now?  His own people agree that human influence on
> greenhouse gases is certain.  The computer models have proved it beyond a
> reasonable doubt.  Why does Bush hesitate to act now?  Well...
> 
>    "All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of
>    lies, evasions, folly, hatred and schizophrenia."  - George Orwell
> 
> And Bush has strong political allies in the oil business.  He is an oilman
> himself, as are other members of his administration (e.g., Cheney, Rice).
> He doesn't want to act against the interests of big oil, not even by
> reducing fuel consumption.  It is madness, and it is obvious -- as obvious
> as can be -- but this is what he is doing.
> 
> Read more here:
> 
> http://taxa.epi.umn.edu/cgi-bin/webglimpse/rmnews?query=global+warming&maxlines=0
> 
> By the way, to use the term "climate change" instead of "global warming"
> was an idea developed by Frank Luntz, one of the neocons' Ministers of
> Propaganda.  Read more here:
> 
> http://www.psywarrior.com/Goebbels.html
> 
> 14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans.
>     a. They must evoke desired responses which the audience previously possesses
>     b. They must be capable of being easily learned
>     c. They must be utilized again and again, but only in appropriate situations
>     d. They must be boomerang-proof
> 
> For more laughs, take a look at the news about the Energy Bill that passed
> the other day.
> 
> Mike
> 
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