Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] so who took the Eagles for the points?

[Vern Green <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

I guess the most telling statement I ever heard was:

"If you think you have a chance on winning, consider a moment the
Bellagio has a lake in front of the hotel, a lake in the middle of a
desert."


On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:21:51 -0800, Michael <EMAIL:PROTECTED> wrote:
> 
> >Yes, I know this. There is just something about that level of control
> >over your chance of winning that bothers me.
> >
> >
> Control freak! ;)
> 
> >For instance. In Blackjack, it is much more random at least in the
> >house's ability to manipulate the outcome. In blackjack you are
> >somewhat at the mercy of the other players at the table but for the
> >most part the house has little to do with the outcome of the game,
> >(unless they stack the deck of course)
> >
> >
> I'd rate Blackjack and Poker as the two games that are probably easiest
> to 'cheat' at if you have a good memory and a basic understanding of
> math. The house can do this too but usually is unlikely to I think.
> Maybe they would bother in the high rollers room but probably the usual
> dealers aren't that good.
> 
> >Roulette is the same situation. The house can effect the odds only by
> >adding or removing numbers from the table. I am sure they could put
> >magnets on the wheel and make whatever number they wanted come up of
> >course, but without that it is truly the luck of the draw.
> >
> >
> I saw something a while back about how roulette isn't really random and
> that with a good computer model you could get a really good guess at
> what would come up. I believe it was especially good at picking red or
> black. I suppose the casinos could use that but I doubt they do.
> 
> >Most slots and video poker machines are not as random as you would
> >think. Any time you can control the odds like you described, there is
> >little randomization there. Yes it is true that if the casino says
> >their slot has a 99% payback, then I am sure they payout 99% if they
> >do not they will get fined. My point was I just have a hard time
> >paying my money on something that is so controlled.
> >
> >
> Gambling at random outcomes is not a very winning proposition at best.
> If you can't use any skill to effect the outcome then it's never going
> to seem fair. A lot of people like that unfairness.. they believe
> they've really won something.. but it does rub some of us the wrong way.
> Maybe it's a geek thing.
> 
> >Slots are very big business though, if it were not, there would not be
> >as many of them on the floor, they are relatively inexpensive to
> >operate and the ability to control the odds sure is a plus for the
> >casino I am sure. I personally just feel they are a huge sucker bet
> >and most people that are serious gamblers will tell you the same
> >thing.
> >
> >
> They're a slow win at best. Serious gamblers go for the high odds. Make
> or lose a thousand dollars in twenty minutes.
> 
> >I guess video poker is somewhat of an exception, as I understand it,
> >there are ways to work the odds on a video poker machine and maximize
> >the payout. I have not delved that deeply into it though to know what
> >they are.
> >
> >
> All these machines can be manipulated. It's all just basic math and an
> understanding of games, people, and the machines involved. If you cared
> to bother you could win at any of them. The casinos, IMO, don't bother
> cheating because most of the players aren't that sophisticated. Anything
> they lose to the better players and those people who just have a lucky
> day are easily offset by what they take in from everyone else.
> 
> The hard part for me is resisting the urge to hack the machines. They're
> not that secure from what I can tell. I'm pretty sure I could have some
> fun with a few basic electronics toys. My probable target wouldn't be to
> steal cash. I'm more interested in the bonus points they reward. These
> can be traded in for food, cloths, movie tickets, hotel rooms, etc and
> they appear to be very weakly guarded. It'd be fun to just assign myself
> enough so that I could have a free buffet and a movie a day for the rest
> of my life. ;)
> 
> --
> Michael <EMAIL:PROTECTED>
> http://kavlon.org
> 
> 


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Thanks
F Vernon Green
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