Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Was the president wired during the firstdebate?

[Mike Miller <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Vern Green wrote:

> I was mistaken, Gibson was at the second debate, though if I remember 
> correctly you said the same odd lump was under the jacket on the second 
> debate as well. I might be mistaken about that, but I do clearly recall 
> someone making that connection on this board, maybe I should go back and 
> find it.

I didn't see it in the second debate.  It did look like there might have 
been a wire under there in the second debate, but that could have been a 
fold in Bush's shirt or any of a number of things.


> But more importantly let's get this straight. It is much more plausible 
> that there is medical device, transmitter or some other foreign object 
> under Bush's jacket in the first debate, perhaps even the second debate. 
> This object is not being talked about by anyone other than a bunch of 
> arm chair quarterbacks on the Internet.

It was in NY Times, CNN Headline News, and many other places.


> It has not been mentioned by Kerry, Lehrer, Gibson, or anyone else 
> involved with either campaign or the debates.

I don't know that.  It would not have been visible to Lehrer because he 
was positioned in front of the candidates.  It was not present in the 
second debate so it would not have been visible to Gibson.  Kerry has 
nothing to gain from saying something about it.


> This object has now been disavowed by the people closest to the 
> president, but that can't be true can it?

If it is a medical device, or something used in cheating, they would deny 
its existence, so that doesn't impress me much.


> After all these people are connected to the president and have a vested 
> interest in not telling the truth.

Right.


> Yet this mysterious object only caught at one point of the debate I 
> might add,

I saw it every time they showed his back, so I don't think you are right 
on this one.  I don't know where you came up with that claim.


> is somehow this all important thing in this election? Are you so blinded 
> by your hatred for Bush that you cannot see the idiocy of this argument? 
> Here we are arguing whether Bush had an object under his jacket or not.

I don't think your argument should be taken seriously because you do not 
deny that you did not watch the debate.  It strikes me that you want the 
claim to be false.  Why else would you argue against it repeatedly when 
you clearly did not see the debate.  You've seen photos that show clear 
signs of an object.  If someone is blinded, it is you.  I can see the 
object under the jacket.  Many other people could see it too, and that's 
why it's in the mainstream news.  The Republican claim that the bump was 
caused by bad tailoring is just absurd.

Mike
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