RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] what majority wants Bush?

["Woodsmall, Ryan \(IATS\)" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

You're changing the subject, and I don't appreciate it.  I asked a
perfectly valid question and you come spouting some rhetoric about
celebrity this and hypocrisy that.

I am a PERSON, not a celebrity.  I just happen to be a liberal.  I don't
give a flip about what Rob Reiner or Michael Moore think; I can use my
own brain, thank you very much.  Like I said, I donate my time, as well
as my money in some cases, to causes that I see as good.  I am not
delivering a message from celebrities, and I guarantee you that anything
out of my mouth is MY thought.  I think about things using my own brain,
and I act on them as I see fit.  

This has nothing to do with celebrities.  And regardless of what you
think, I have a pretty clear vision of what I believe, and there are no
diametrically opposed ideas duking it out in my brain.  I'm extremely
far left, much farther than most liberal Democrats, and I am fine with
that.  I am fine with you being a conservative.  But please don't call
me a hypocrite.  You don't even know me, and it's childish to assume
that you can make a judgement call like that.

     ryan woodsmall
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Vernon Green
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:51 PM
> To: 'MLUG Off-Topic Discussion'
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> 
> The problem I have with Liberals is their hypocrisy.
> 
> We have liberals who are multi-millionaires who like to tout how the
> government should raise taxes to pay for social programs. 
> They complain that
> we are not "compassionate" enough, they complain that 
> corporate America is
> evil and should be taxed into oblivion.
> 
> My question to them is, where your compassion? If you drive 
> through Beverly
> Hills and you see Rob Rieners' house, or Michael Moore's home, these
> multi-million dollar dwellings that took nearly a forest of 
> trees to build,
> which helped to promote urban blight. I ask myself "Who the 
> &*%^ are they to
> dictate?" The first group of people who should be taxed is 
> the actors and
> actresses, the sports athletes, the damn politicians who make 
> millions. Lets
> take 75% of their wealth first, then lets go after the rest.
> 
> Of course then you have these people screaming about the evil 
> of SUV's while
> they are driving their 45 foot stretch limo through the 
> streets. They scream
> about deforestation, and they build 20,000 square foot homes. 
> They scream
> about gun ownership but insist that they be allowed to have armed body
> guards.
> 
> This is the problem with your liberalism. It is not the 
> message, it is the
> perception of those delivering the message.
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EMAIL:PROTECTED [mailto:discussion-
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> > Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:08 AM
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> > Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] what majority wants Bush?
> > 
> > > And then change again when they graduate, get jobs, and 
> start paying
> > > taxes...which is about the time they realize that all those social
> > > programs cost alot of money.
> > 
> > Why do people assume this?  If anything, when I graduated 
> from college
> > and started making enough money to support myself a few years ago, I
> > became *more* liberal.  I don't give much money to 
> charities, but I do
> > volunteer a lot.
> > 
> > And yes, social programs do cost money, but I don't need to 
> buy a new
> > car every year and my expendable income covers my hobbies 
> even with the
> > large chunk of my paycheck that comes out in taxes.  I 
> don't mind that
> > tax money going to social/community organizations as long as it's
> > beneficial to everyone here at home.  As it stands now, the 
> majority of
> > the tax money I pay is headed toward wars and that benefits 
> almost no
> > one here in our country.
> > 
> > So I'll keep being a socially-minded liberal and you can 
> consider it a
> > phase if you want.  But I have a pretty strong feeling that 
> it isn't.
> > 
> >      ryan woodsmall
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