RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] The Day After Tomorrow

["F Vernon Green" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Of course I was being silly, that is the point.

I can make fun like the rest of them, there was no mention of party
affiliation in the movie but the makers went to great lengths to make sure
there was no confusion in which party they were talking about.

I can be amused with movies that make a political statement, Wag the Dog was
interesting and funny, but that movie was meant to be comedy. This movie was
not meant to be comedy. Sure there may have been moments of comedy relief,
there were moments of comedy relief in Saving Private Ryan too, but no one
would say that movie was a comedy.

The point to my sun remark was to point out that there are many things we
still do not understand about our own bodies much less the earth and the
heavens. The point is that we do not have any idea with 100% certainty what
is happening. The same people crying global warming were crying global
cooling in the 70s. No one knows what I causing the climate change, if there
actually is one.

To be a little more serious, with our ability to use technology and get
better data, more accurate world readings in temperature, could it be
possible that we are going through a correction period? One where we are now
actually getting a more accurate picture of what our climate is than our
forfathers could get 100 years ago? Maybe the 2 or 3 degrees the climate has
changed is reflective on that alone?

I case you were wondering I call myself a republican, but mostly I am
conservative. I think conservation is a better way to go. We know that we
have to have things made by companies and in the US companies provide jobs.
We need to provide a climate where companies can do what they do, create
jobs. That does not preclude laws against pollution. I think to say that
republicans want to have dirty water and air is a ridiculous statement
(credited to Al Gore by the way).

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Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] The Day After Tomorrow

On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, F Vernon Green wrote:

> The other problem for me with this movie was the political jabs it 
> takes. Yeah we all know republicans are evil, they want to poison the 
> air, poison the water, they want to be isolationists and destroy the 
> world for everyone else. Everyone knows this is the view point of the 
> folks in Hollywood.

The reality is that the Republicans are more up front with their support 
for corporations that would be adversely affected by regulations on 
emissions, etc., and they are likewise more dubious of the evidence that 
humans are influencing global warming trends.  But who said the Vice 
President was a Republican in the film -- I don't recall any mention of 
party affiliation.

Another funny thing -- the Vice President was skeptical about the claims 
of one scientist that we needed to do something about global warming.  He 
was very reasonable to have doubts.  They told us repeatedly in the movie 
that there are many models of global temperature change and they predict 
different things.  No one knows which model is correct.  That was true, 
but there is no model where the temperature plummets by 10 degrees F per 
second!  They added that one just for fun.


> Frankly I think it was so blatant to be on the side of comical. I never 
> got to the end, but I understand there was a scene where the vice 
> president was making a speech in Mexico. Funny how we can even get 
> illegal immigration issues embedded in the movie.

Yes -- it was *funny* -- that's what I'm trying to tell you.  They made 
the movie funny on purpose.  It's fun to go to a funny movie.  You should 
have had more fun with it!!  ;-)

The bit with Mexico was especially funny.  Americans were told to evacuate 
their country and go to Mexico.  The President ordered this and didn't 
even think to mention to Mexico that he was sending most of our population 
down for a visit.  The Mexicans stopped the Americans at the border, but 
many just waded across the Rio Grande to sneak into Mexico.  I thought it 
was pretty funny!

The President got stuck in DC so the VP had to take over.  He was in 
Mexico when he made his apologetic speach.


> I think it could be as plausible that there are interstellar forces 
> reacting on the earth and the sun that is causing this issue. I mean how 
> do we even know that the earth is not spiraling into the sun, each year 
> getting closer and closer to the sun? Has anyone gotten out there with a 
> tape measuer and measured the distance?

Now you're just being silly.  We know how far from the Sun the Earth is 
and we would know if we're getting closer to the Sun.

Mike
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