RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Another Rant

["F Vernon Green" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Well it appears facts are starting to come out now. These were people who
are now saying they were "ordered" to do these things. 

They have a serious problem though, they are not going to be able to hide
behind this "I was ordered" defense. There is a loophole in that defense
that every green recruit is taught from day one. 

When you are ordered to do something that you feel is illegal or immoral,
you are to carry out that order immediately but then you are to report the
illegality of the order as soon as you can. You are not to blindly follow,
you have to allow your conscience to still operate.

Apparently no one reported any of this.

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> -----Original Message-----
> Vernon Green
> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Another Rant
> 
> OH, I guess I should have added that I too served. I taught 
> combat to the Seabees in Port Hueneme Ca, many of which 
> served in Desert Storm using the skills I taught them. I got 
> out of the Navy 8 months before Desert Storm started just 
> long enough to get my Inactive reserve time completed or I 
> would have gone.
> 
> I used to teach Seabees how to handle prisoners of war and I 
> assure you that we never taught them to do these things.
> 
No I was a combat engineer in Europe in the mid and late 80s.  We had a
whole different mindset way back then.  And I would have soften my
rhetoric somewhat had I known you served.  

As I noted in my later message it could well have been something of a
psychological warfare technique in order to coerce them into providing
information.  Were that the case however, why would you do the whole
"thumbs up" things and why would you take pictures.  Distasteful deeds
are often necessary but should be finished solemnly and you should move
on.  And I would think there would have been alternatives to those
particular techniques.  

But as I said before I wasn't the man on the scene so I wouldn't want to
criticize them without ALL the facts (which are often lacking
completeness in situations reported by the modern media). 

Jim 


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