RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] southpark speaks the truth

["Spurling, Shannon" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

As long as the law provides for all the same rights and privileges, what
is the difference? The name. What you said is exactly the point I was
trying to make, only you took it personal. I am trying not to get
personal here, because how I feel about the subject has nothing to do
with this. 
Legally, they are good enough. Marriage is a form of civil union,
nothing more in the eyes of the state. They could change every thing to
be a civil union, and that would still not fix the problem. The problem
is that one group wants what the other has. The other group feels that
giving it to them would change the meaning of what they have. It's all
about intangibles like respect, recognition, and morality , not law.
Until we understand that, there is no way this can be dealt with.

Shannon Spurling
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Ryan (IATS)
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Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] southpark speaks the truth

Civil unions are not good enough because the wording is discriminitory.
When a judge performs a marriage for a heterosexual couple, they are
married.  They have not entered into a civil union, they've entered into
a marriage.  Since most churches would probably not perform marriages
between people of the same gender, a judge would be doing the
service/ceremony/whatever.  To use two words to describe one thing for
two different sets of people is discriminatory.  Separate
laws/rules/definitions for different groups of people does not work.  It
will never work as long as the country holds that every citizen is
created equally.  And that's why it's not good enough.

     ryan woodsmall
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Spurling, Shannon
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:18 PM
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> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] southpark speaks the truth
> 
> 3. Courts and Gay rights groups still insist that civil 
> unions would not
> be good enough. Why?
> 
> Think about that for a moment. What is the only difference? The
> essential difference between civil union and marriage. Why would it be
> separate and not equal? The reason that separate but equal 
> was not good
> enough for civil rights is because it was not and never could 
> be equal.
> You figure that out and you will see why gay people want it, and why
> others want to protect it. I hate to say it, but love doesn't have any
> thing to do with it.

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