RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] ADSL in Columbia

["Spurling, Shannon" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

They all are distance limited. Frame relay is a layer 2 protocol. You
could run Frame Relay over ADSL if you wanted to, as it is commonly run
over HDSL and other xDSL technologies to get to the site. DSL just means
that the local loop can be cheaper because it doesn't need as many
repeaters on the line. ADSL is a strange breed because it's piggy backed
on your voice copper to save on facilities costs. That also makes it
hard to insert repeaters. Frame Relay is commonly said to be not
distance limited, because the idea was that it would be used to switch
your data on larger carriers to a phone hut, where it could be "demuxed"
and delivered via local loop. The reason this is cheaper that the
physical solutions (TDM and add drop muxing) is because you don't
guarantee the whole bandwidth. 
So, simply said... You're comparing apples to oranges. And economies of
scale don't work as well on commercial provider grade equipment. The
phone line requirement is more in line with the electric power
requirement and emergency services. Requiring bandwidth is not needed. I
don't know where you heard the thing about ISDN, but I doubt it, because
many Telco's never made a decent offering of it. They had to legislate
the phone lines because they were needed for practicality in rural
areas, and every one pays for it in their phone bill. If the phone
company had their way, you would not see phone systems outside urban
areas, unless a group of people ran down to radio shack and bought their
own cable and ran it.

Shannon Spurling
WAN Engineer -Specialist

MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd.
Columbia, MO 65201

Main:(573) 884-7200   Fax:(573)884-6673

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Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] ADSL in Columbia

The DirecWay ystem is aiming to be modem free on their load side, AND
support Linux. There is also a company called StarBand that says their
satellite system will provide 100mb per second upload. Who knows if it
is true. 

It really is too bad that the phone company could not have delivered
frame relay or other similar technology to the home cheaper. The
technology does not rely on distance to get the higher bandwidth, but it
does rely on dedicated circuits. I guess the Telco switching equipment
is more expensive too, but one would think that the more that was
purchased the cheaper they would get.

How many of you know that there is a law that REQUIRES that you have a
phone line to your home? It is in relation to the ISDN digital phone
lines the phone company was pushing at one time. The point is that I
think before too long you will see a move to enforce a law that
broadband needs to be available to every home. Just my opinion of course
but I could see the Government doing something like that.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: EMAIL:PROTECTED [mailto:discussion-
> EMAIL:PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Spurling, Shannon
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:11 AM
> To: MLUG Off-Topic Discussion
> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] ADSL in Columbia
> 
> That means that they already installed a DSLAM in the Telco CO. A few
> miles is pushing it. Typically it's limited to a distance of one to
two
> miles of cable length. And that has to be good cable. CentryTel isn't
> going to send any one out, because they don't want to spend the money
> unless they have a guaranteed sale. They won't publish maps, because
> lawyers might take it as a guarantee of availability. They will not
put
> their butt's on the line unless there is a payoff, and ADSL is far
from
> a solid science. How many times have you heard of someone who had
> terrible problems with their DSL while their next door neighbor never
> had an issue. Lot's of times. If there were published maps, guess
what,
> the phone company would have been liable because they published a
> service they could not make work. This way, they can cut their losses
> and return your money. If they had a map, you could harass them until
it
> worked. And even then it may not.
> 
> Shannon Spurling
> WAN Engineer -Specialist
> 
> MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
> 3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd.
> Columbia, MO 65201
> 
> Main:(573) 884-7200   Fax:(573)884-6673
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason
> Youngquist
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:53 AM
> To: MLUG Off-Topic Discussion
> Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] ADSL in Columbia
> 
> My parents live right outside the city limits (ie. half a mile away)
and
> there is a telephone POP (not sure if this is the correct term, but
> close
> enough) a few miles away.  I called Centurytel and DSL is available
for
> their exchange and also for their telephone number, but Centurytel
> won't guarantee the DSL will work until an order is placed with
> them and a line check is done.....It seems they won't do a line check
> until you have a "hard order" with them.
> 
> Jason Youngquist
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> 
> 
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2003, Spurling, Shannon wrote:
> 
> > No, it's not. I am unaware of any ADSL service being offered in the
> > sparsely populated areas outside of the city limits. Cable is less
> > distance sensitive, and can canvas an entire housing development.
ADSL
> > is distance sensitive, and the phone company wants enough of a user
> base
> > in an area to pay for their equipment before they will put it in.
> > Combine the lower population density, older wiring, and the distance
> > issue, and you are not likely to find ADSL in any of the areas
outside
> > of the city limits.
> >
> > Satellite is the only solution.
> >
> > Shannon Spurling
> > WAN Engineer -Specialist
> >
> > MOREnet, Network Services, Core Network
> > 3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd.
> > Columbia, MO 65201
> >
> > Main:(573) 884-7200   Fax:(573)884-6673
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason
> > Youngquist
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:03 AM
> > To: MLUG Off-Topic Discussion
> > Subject: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] ADSL in Columbia
> >
> > Well, my parents are considering upgrading from their dialup to
> > high-speed
> > Internet access if I can justify the higher price to them.  They
live
> > outside the city limits so cable is not an option, but I believe
ADSL
> > is.
> > I've looked at Tranquility and their ADSL service starts at $54.99 a
> > month.  Is that roughly the price everyone is paying these days or
are
> > there cheaper ADSL services?
> >
> > I know SBC in conjunction with Yahoo has an ADSL promotion going on
> > where
> > you can get ADSL for $26.95 a month, but unfortunately SBC is not in
> the
> > Columbia area.
> >
> >
>
http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.partner=sbc&.done=http%3a//sbc.yaho
> > o.com/
> >
> > Thanks for any info.
> > Jason Youngquist
> >
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