Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Seishin what?

["Nathan Atkinson" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Actually the Honda makes most of it's power way above the normal driving range
where the Camaro makes ~80-90% where you drive, and I didn't see anywhere the
Honda getting 60 MPG.  Doubling the HP with software, ha.  I know enough about
both domestic and import to know that if you can double your HP with just fuel
increases then there is some serious problems, or you only have about 20 HP to
begin with.  Actually they do have the ability to get ~ 30 HP with a laptop and
software for most '96 and newer Camaros.  Most of what you feel when driving a
car is the torque that the engine produces, the "Old Tech" Camaro has loads of
it so you get a bigger kick in the ass and better milage, if you tried to drive
your Civic the same way you wouldn't ever get anywhere since all of it's TQ/HP
is way up top.

Nathan
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From: "Spurling, Shannon" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>
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Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Seishin what?


> So why does a Honda Civic get almost twice the gas mileage at acceptable
performance? You know, most of that horse power is only there when your pushing
the 3500 RPM to maintain your speed at 130MPH (I'm just guessing. Actual numbers
may vary). In the mean time, the extra displacement and weight is just keeping
you from getting any better mileage. Sure, you get more power when you tromp on
it, and force it to down shift like when your passing, but when your cruising it
don't make a difference.
> Thing with the Honda is that you can increase the Hp and Torque with a laptop,
software, and a little bit of tweaking. I think that some have doubled it by
doing that. Try that with your Old Tech Camaro. :-)
> Don't get me wrong, I like GM products, but I also have an appreciation for
the quality and fit and finish of a lot of Asian car makers. To them it's a
matter of honor to make a good car. Here it just a matter of money. I think that
makes a difference.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Atkinson, Nathan K (UMC-Student)
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:07 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Seishin what?
>
>
> > I like Japanese toys. I have my reasons, mostly because they're
> > well-designed and the engines last forever. They feel better when you sit
> > in them, and they have much more proportional power distributions. Plus,
> > they don't guzzle gas. They can also be modified to no end, and they're
> > lightweight.
>
> Z28 Camaro     $23430.00        Honda Civic    $19690.00
>                         310HP                                        160 HP
>                         340lb/ft                                        132
> lb/ft.
>                         3433 lbs.                                      2752
lbs.
>                         28 MPG                                        ?
>
>                         11 lbs/hp                                       17.2
> lbs/hp
>                         10 lbs/(lb/ft)                                  20.8
> lbs/(lb/ft)
>
> So with the Camaro you get a lot more enjoyable ride because of the better
> power/weight ratio than the Civic, it's rear wheel drive, and it's American,
an
> unbeatable combonation :-D
>
> Nathan
>
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