RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, what to do

["Ross, Matt" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

Putting a virus in an attachment isn't new, this would just be a more
difficult way of doing it.  At worst, you might be able to crash the mail
server by having it spin off too many html attachments.

> I understand that, but I was wondering why it just started 
> today, unless it
> is due to something monitoring the mail from where I work, and this
> attachment is a side effect.  All my posts from 6/20 and back 
> fif not have
> these attachments.  Purely conjecture, mind you, but could a 
> misconfigured
> linux mail filter/capture software do this?  Say, grabs 
> message, strips it
> out, saves it to a file, then sends it on, not quite knowing 
> what to do with
> the outlook html portion of the email, so forwarding it on as 
> an attachment?
> If so, wouldn't that be a new avenue to send a virus payload?  Just
> wondering...
> Duane Hargus
> MIS-DED
> 
> > 
> > I'm assuming you're using Outlook.
> > According to Nate, it includes both an HTML and a plain text 
> > copy of what it
> > sends.  I think this is why some emails have both options in 
> > the format
> > menu.  He has a rant about it on his currituck site, along with some
> > interesting info.  
> > 
> > > Speaking of weird,why did this get an html attachment?  I 
> > > never had that
> > > happen before
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
> > > Hargus, Duane
> > > > To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > > Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, 
> what to do
> > > > > Subject: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, 
> > what to do
> > > > > 
> > > > > hmmm, interesting.  What kind of heat sink do you have on it? 
> > > > > How big? Did you
> > > > > use thermal compound?  Quite strange that it is that high.
> > > > 
> > > > Not sure of the brand, it's approximately 1.75 inches high, 
> > > > the old ones
> > > > were only about an inch or so tall.  Yes, used a thermal 
> > > > compound, the same
> > > > I used on my 900 mhz system, The fan is actually bigger than 
> > > > the one on my
> > > > 900 system.  weird?  yes, very.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nathan
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Sorry to jump in so late, just got back from a float trip.  
> > > > > How would one
> > > > > K2/550 amd work?  Can't get it to stay cool, tried 3 fans, 
> > > > > and mother board
> > > > > supposedly has the capability of monitoring temps and specs 
> > > > > (leastways will show
> > > > > it in the bios.)  By overheating, I mean cooking temps, 
> > > > > around 85 to 90 degrees
> > > > > Celsius.  I am getting tired of messing around with it.
> > > > > > Duane Hargus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > > > [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
> > > > > Spurling, Shannon
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:36 PM
> > > > > > To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, 
> > > what to do
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sounds like it's time for an experiment! :-)
> > > > > > Now, how to generate the heat without having to risk an 
> > > > > expensive CPU? I'm
> > > > > sure I can think of something...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shannon
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Atkinson, Nathan K (UMC-Student)
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, 
> > > what to do
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, my previous explination was a little vague.  Yes you 
> > > > > can use air to cool
> > > > > > the pelters but you need a lot of air which means either 
> > > > > large fans or small
> > > > > > loud ones.  From Ian's post he said it was already loud so 
> > > > > adding an 80mm fan
> > > > > > that spins at 6000 would make it even louder.  You are 
> > > > > right on the heat being
> > > > > > disapated in proportion to the air temp.  I'm not sure 
> > > > > about your assumption
> > > > > > that you can force heat into the heat sink but most of the 
> > > > > reviews I've read
> > > > > > about pelters is that you can't get a good enough heat sink 
> > > > > fan combo to make
> > > > > it
> > > > > > work.  I'm not saying it can't be done but it is an 
> > > > > expensive experiment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nathan A.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, then why can they get away with using those things 
> > > > > with an air cooled
> > > > > > system on those DC powered electric coolers? Sorry, but I'm 
> > > > > not convinced that
> > > > > > it's as simple as that. Wouldn't the heat disapated by the 
> > > > > heat sink be in
> > > > > > proportion to the difference between it and the ambiant 
> > > > > temperature of the air
> > > > > > around it, and it thermal conducting properties. I would 
> > > > > imagine that as long
> > > > > as
> > > > > > you could provide sufficent case ventalation, you could 
> > > > > "Draw" the heat out of
> > > > > > the heat sink. Why is that not the case?
> > > > > > > I mean, air dosen't have the thermal capacity of water, 
> > > > > but that's why you
> > > > > > have to ventilate your case, as opposed to pumping air 
> > > > > through a small hose.
> > > > > CFM
> > > > > > vs GPM. :-)
> > > > > > > I still think that if you had a decent air flow, you'd 
> > > > > get better results
> > > > > with
> > > > > > one than with out, water or not, because of the thermal 
> > > > > potential that the
> > > > > > junction device forces into the heat sink. Sure it 
> > > > > generates a small amount of
> > > > > > heat it's self, but no where near the amount that the CPU 
> > > > > would produce. I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > it might be worthwhile to try one with a decent copper heat 
> > > > > sink that can draw
> > > > > > the heat off the device. That's just what I think.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any other ideas or reasons why it should not work?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Shannon
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, 
> > > > what to do
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The pelter coolers are only practical with water cooling 
> > > > > because of the
> > > > > 75-80
> > > > > > > Watts they put out, most air-cooled heatsinks only cool 
> > > > > about 50-60 Watts
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > is about what the XP puts out by itself.  If you want 
> > > > > your Athlon to stay
> > > > > > cooler
> > > > > > > than 50C you will need a rather large copper heat sink, 
> > > > > look for a fan
> > > > > atleast
> > > > > > > 80x80x25 any smaller and it will be very loud.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nathan A.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Has anyone ever tried one of the Peltier coolers for 
> > > > processors?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Spuds
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, 
> > > > > what to do
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know that some heat sink and fan combos are only 
> > > > > rated up to the
> > > > > > > > Xp1800+
> > > > > > > > processor values. I would invest in one of the copper 
> > > > > heat sinks with a
> > > > > > > > very
> > > > > > > > high cam fan combined with a very low thermal 
> > > > > resistance. I personally
> > > > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > the Swiftec MC462 (About 49.00) provides me with a 45C 
> > > > > cpu temp running
> > > > > > > > Urban Terror. I would also check that your case fans 
> > > > > are exhausting some
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > that hot air.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sam
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > > > > > > [ mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf 
> > > > > Of Ross, Matt
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:53 AM
> > > > > > > > To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, 
> > > > > what to do
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I know some people who would put water on it to cool it 
> > > > > off.  I'll have
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > make sure they don't get one of these with a 
> > > > > temperature readout where
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > can see it..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That temp is excessive, just as you indicated, but I 
> > > > > think you're at the
> > > > > > > > point where air transfer is too slow to take much 
> > > > > advantage of faster or
> > > > > > > > more fans.  I have heard tale of cooling systems 
> > > > > involving liquid
> > > > > > > > nitrogen
> > > > > > > > running in fins near the cpu to take away the heat, but 
> > > > > first, that
> > > > > > > > sounds
> > > > > > > > rather expensive, and second, I'm no expert on cooling 
> > > > > systems, this may
> > > > > > > > have some inherent flaw, or be commonplace already.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I recently got a Athlon 2000 from cyberpowerpc and it 
> > > > > has been working
> > > > > > > > > great, except for a couple of things. The first one 
> > > > I noticed
> > > > > > > > > immediately
> > > > > > > > > and that is it is very loud. I've opened up the case 
> > > > > and there is no
> > > > > > > > > wonder why, there are 6 fans in total (1 on the back 
> > > > > going into the
> > > > > > > > > system, one for the power supply, one on the side 
> > > > > with its own metal
> > > > > > > > > grill, one on the front, one for the CPU, one for the 
> > > > > video card).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > However, to make matters more complicated despite all 
> > > > > the fans it runs
> > > > > > > > > quite hot. After some light use the CPU is 
> > > usually about 57C
> > > > > > > > > (135F). The
> > > > > > > > > "System Temp" (not quite sure where the 
> > > thermometer for this
> > > > > > > > > is) is about
> > > > > > > > > 45C (113 F). After half of day of use and a 
> few hours of
> > > > > > > > > EMAIL:PROTECTED (in
> > > > > > > > > other words the CPU was at 100%) the CPU 
> > > temperature was 64C
> > > > > > > > > (147F) and I
> > > > > > > > > forget the system temperature.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is this something I should be worried about? The 
> > > max for my
> > > > > > > > > CPU is 90C. I
> > > > > > > > > want this computer to last 3 or 4 years, perhaps 
> > > > > beyond as a server or
> > > > > > > > > something. I would fell better if the temperature was 
> > > > > more like 50C,
> > > > > > > > > perhaps reaching the mid to high 50's after heavy use.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So really while I would like a quieter PC, I 
> > > imagine that is
> > > > > > > > > impossible
> > > > > > > > > considering I want a cooler one as well. Any 
> > > suggestions? I
> > > > > > > > > don't really
> > > > > > > > > know where to start. For instance, how do I tell what 
> > > > > fan I have now?
> > > > > > > > > All it says is "AMD Certified" and it know it 
> > runs between
> > > > > > > > > 5000-6000 RPM
> > > > > > > > > from the motherboard monitoring utitilities (by the 
> > > > > way Gigabyte
> > > > > > > > > motherboards come with lots of cool stuff). Perhaps I 
> > > > > should just call
> > > > > > > > > Cyberpower, though their really hard to get 
> > through to as
> > > > > > > > > they just let
> > > > > > > > > their phone ring until they decide to pick it up.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Ian Monroe
> > > > > > > > > http://www.monroe.nu
> > > > > > > > >
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