Re: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Very Hot Athlon 2000, what to do

["Nathan Atkinson" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

hmmm, interesting.  What kind of heat sink do you have on it? How big? Did you
use thermal compound?  Quite strange that it is that high.

Nathan


> Sorry to jump in so late, just got back from a float trip.  How would one
K2/550 amd work?  Can't get it to stay cool, tried 3 fans, and mother board
supposedly has the capability of monitoring temps and specs (leastways will show
it in the bios.)  By overheating, I mean cooking temps, around 85 to 90 degrees
Celsius.  I am getting tired of messing around with it.
> Duane Hargus
>
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> Sounds like it's time for an experiment! :-)
> Now, how to generate the heat without having to risk an expensive CPU? I'm
sure I can think of something...
>
> Shannon
>
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> Well, my previous explination was a little vague.  Yes you can use air to cool
> the pelters but you need a lot of air which means either large fans or small
> loud ones.  From Ian's post he said it was already loud so adding an 80mm fan
> that spins at 6000 would make it even louder.  You are right on the heat being
> disapated in proportion to the air temp.  I'm not sure about your assumption
> that you can force heat into the heat sink but most of the reviews I've read
> about pelters is that you can't get a good enough heat sink fan combo to make
it
> work.  I'm not saying it can't be done but it is an expensive experiment.
>
> Nathan A.
>
>
> > Well, then why can they get away with using those things with an air cooled
> system on those DC powered electric coolers? Sorry, but I'm not convinced that
> it's as simple as that. Wouldn't the heat disapated by the heat sink be in
> proportion to the difference between it and the ambiant temperature of the air
> around it, and it thermal conducting properties. I would imagine that as long
as
> you could provide sufficent case ventalation, you could "Draw" the heat out of
> the heat sink. Why is that not the case?
> > I mean, air dosen't have the thermal capacity of water, but that's why you
> have to ventilate your case, as opposed to pumping air through a small hose.
CFM
> vs GPM. :-)
> > I still think that if you had a decent air flow, you'd get better results
with
> one than with out, water or not, because of the thermal potential that the
> junction device forces into the heat sink. Sure it generates a small amount of
> heat it's self, but no where near the amount that the CPU would produce. I
think
> it might be worthwhile to try one with a decent copper heat sink that can draw
> the heat off the device. That's just what I think.
> >
> > Any other ideas or reasons why it should not work?
> >
> > Shannon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> >
> >
> > The pelter coolers are only practical with water cooling because of the
75-80
> > Watts they put out, most air-cooled heatsinks only cool about 50-60 Watts
> which
> > is about what the XP puts out by itself.  If you want your Athlon to stay
> cooler
> > than 50C you will need a rather large copper heat sink, look for a fan
atleast
> > 80x80x25 any smaller and it will be very loud.
> >
> > Nathan A.
> >
> >
> > > Has anyone ever tried one of the Peltier coolers for processors?
> > >
> > > Spuds
> > >
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> > > [ mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Napier
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:47 PM
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> > > I know that some heat sink and fan combos are only rated up to the
> > > Xp1800+
> > > processor values. I would invest in one of the copper heat sinks with a
> > > very
> > > high cam fan combined with a very low thermal resistance. I personally
> > > use
> > > the Swiftec MC462 (About 49.00) provides me with a 45C cpu temp running
> > > Urban Terror. I would also check that your case fans are exhausting some
> > > of
> > > that hot air.
> > >
> > > Sam
> > >
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> > > [ mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ross, Matt
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:53 AM
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> > >
> > >
> > > I know some people who would put water on it to cool it off.  I'll have
> > > to
> > > make sure they don't get one of these with a temperature readout where
> > > they
> > > can see it..
> > >
> > > That temp is excessive, just as you indicated, but I think you're at the
> > > point where air transfer is too slow to take much advantage of faster or
> > > more fans.  I have heard tale of cooling systems involving liquid
> > > nitrogen
> > > running in fins near the cpu to take away the heat, but first, that
> > > sounds
> > > rather expensive, and second, I'm no expert on cooling systems, this may
> > > have some inherent flaw, or be commonplace already.
> > >
> > > > I recently got a Athlon 2000 from cyberpowerpc and it has been working
> > > > great, except for a couple of things. The first one I noticed
> > > > immediately
> > > > and that is it is very loud. I've opened up the case and there is no
> > > > wonder why, there are 6 fans in total (1 on the back going into the
> > > > system, one for the power supply, one on the side with its own metal
> > > > grill, one on the front, one for the CPU, one for the video card).
> > > >
> > > > However, to make matters more complicated despite all the fans it runs
> > > > quite hot. After some light use the CPU is usually about 57C
> > > > (135F). The
> > > > "System Temp" (not quite sure where the thermometer for this
> > > > is) is about
> > > > 45C (113 F). After half of day of use and a few hours of
> > > > EMAIL:PROTECTED (in
> > > > other words the CPU was at 100%) the CPU temperature was 64C
> > > > (147F) and I
> > > > forget the system temperature.
> > > >
> > > > Is this something I should be worried about? The max for my
> > > > CPU is 90C. I
> > > > want this computer to last 3 or 4 years, perhaps beyond as a server or
> > > > something. I would fell better if the temperature was more like 50C,
> > > > perhaps reaching the mid to high 50's after heavy use.
> > > >
> > > > So really while I would like a quieter PC, I imagine that is
> > > > impossible
> > > > considering I want a cooler one as well. Any suggestions? I
> > > > don't really
> > > > know where to start. For instance, how do I tell what fan I have now?
> > > > All it says is "AMD Certified" and it know it runs between
> > > > 5000-6000 RPM
> > > > from the motherboard monitoring utitilities (by the way Gigabyte
> > > > motherboards come with lots of cool stuff). Perhaps I should just call
> > > > Cyberpower, though their really hard to get through to as
> > > > they just let
> > > > their phone ring until they decide to pick it up.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ian Monroe
> > > > http://www.monroe.nu
> > > >
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