RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Oracle Certification

["Matt Ross" <EMAIL:PROTECTED>]

As with many things, I would love to do the practical thing and just learn
more, however, does any employer take the classes into consideration without
the certification?

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[mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]On Behalf Of David Abadir
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 1:19 PM
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Subject: RE: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Oracle Certification


As with several other types of certifications, becoming an OCP (Oracle
Certified Professinoal) can come many different ways.  They have different
"tracks" such as the DBA track or the Developer track.  And even the DBA
track is broken into pieces.  I understand that getting the actual
certificate and permission to use the graphic on your resume is cool and
all, but in the long run, you may be better off taking more classes than the
test (the test costs ~$3000, that doesn't include the classes. For that
price, take an extra class or two).
        Also, Oracle defines several different types of DBA's.  I think you
may be looking at becoming a systems DBA.  That's actually a pretty boring
job.  You get to buy 1/2 Million dollar machines, but you have to deal with
the boring stuff like coming in at 2:00 to run the backups or take the db
down or making sure that there is a tablespace for some new app, basic
maintenance stuff.
        I'm an Application DBA so we design the back-end for web-based apps
that run on our website and our intranet (internal apps).  I believe that
this is the fun stuff.  It uses problem solving skills more than systems
dbas.  We have to know a lot about Oracle in general.  We are responsible
for analysis and design, including normaliztion, sql tuning, basic
replication/interfacing, indexing and everything else that goes along with
developing a new app.  We are also the ones who get to play with the new
Oracle features in every release.
        When our app requires that the sdba's do something, we go to them
and watch what they do until it's done.  So, while I am learning how to use
Oracle, they end up teaching us how to maintain it at the same time.
        So, to answer your question (I think there was a question in there),
you'll need to go to education.oracle.com to find the track you want.  I
just went there and everything I said above is apparently moot (they changed
all of it for 9i).  For one, they are "paths", not "tracks" and OCP is now a
middle tier, above OCA (associate) and below OCM (master).  But the concepts
are still similar.  They offer certification for:
Administration
Web Administrator
Java Developer
Portal Designer
Developer
Business Intelligence Developer
Data Warehouse analyst
Data Warehouse Administrator


david
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross, Matt [mailto:EMAIL:PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 12:00 PM
To: EMAIL:PROTECTED
Subject: [MLUG - DISCUSSION] Oracle Certification


Anyone have any advice on getting Oracle Certification?
My parents have offered to pay for it, or whatever is typically required of
an Oracle DBA.  Right now I develop in PL/SQL, but I would like to be able
to apply for the DBA positions which pay signifigantly more.  I would ask
our DBA, but I fear he will see it as a threat.  Also, I suspect he has his
position due to talent, not due to certification.
I'm looking in the Jefferson City/Columbia area, and have found a number of
places that offer it, but nothing to indicate if "Oracle Certification"
means developer or administrator skills.  I know there are DBA's on the
list, so hopefully at least one of you doesn't mind competition ;-)
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